Harry and Meghan resigning Act 5 *MNHQ edited title*

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I’m not the original OP of the series. That credit must go to @TheMustressMhor
I just stepped in when the last thread filled up with no replacement

There is still an appetite for discussion / gossip depending on your POV.
I asked for MN to put it in the Royal Family topic as the subject is no longer headline news; but still ticking along. I think those people who are interested will find it and add their comments regardless of its location.

This. What @Windows85 said. Every word.

• Very long time lurker on these and other royal threads in Style and Beauty

Agree with much of what many posters, including @CurlyWurlyTwirly @DuchessofWoke and @WendyMoiraAngelaDarling have said. For what it’s worth:

I didn’t warm to Meghan from the beginning, finding her fake and annoying, in a similar way that I find some people irritating in real life. However, that didn’t necessarily make her a bad person or a bad choice for Harry.

I enjoyed their wedding, and wished them well (and she is undeniably beautiful)

The moment that pulled me up short was when she arrived at Eugenie’s wedding with her coat half unbuttoned.. I couldn’t believe there were so many people inventing convoluted reasons why she might have worn it like that, as opposed to fully buttoned up, open, or any other item of clothing – I thought it was outrageously attention-seeking, in a subtle way (if something can be outrageous and subtle at the same time)

After that, things have played out largely as I thought they would, though I am surprised by the speed at which events are moving. I thought she’d feel the need to keep up appearances for a bit longer.

However, as PP have suggested on other threads, at 38 she doesn’t have lots of time to waste if she wants to get a settlement from the RF, build the ‘brand’ (urgh), divorce Harry, get firmly established as an LA-based A lister, marry a billionaire

The bottom line is, no one who ‘craves a quiet family life’ focussed on good causes sets up a website like theirs. It is a monument to ego and artifice.

God, Harry, you utter idiot*

Surely they can’t start proceedings in the UK and then just refuse to attend when called?? Surely they would just award to MoS by default in that case as the they will be deemed to have offered no evidence?

Will any of the court papers be made public ( sorry for public drooling ) ?

Or is that a really really stupid question ?

I have seen estimates that their security could cost £4-5 million per year.
They need to be earning serious money to fund that themselves. Especially if it comes from after tax income.

I think the U.K. taxpayer will end up paying though.

@MichaelMumsnet there seems to be a couple of posters determined to attack each other, thus disrupting the thread. Is it possible to suspend their ability to post so that the discussion can continue?

In other news, I was listening to Radio 4 Today programme this morning. They had a senior lawyer-type (forget who) on it. He said he was pretty sure H&M would win the case but that it would be a pyrrhic victory. The Mail has extensive phone/text records which would be very damaging to MM's version of events and it would all come out. He felt the best thing would be to withdraw and pay costs.

I wonder if others in the Royal Household had also offered similar unwelcome advice to H&M and that might have precipitated their decamping?

Thanks. Security must be a huge issue to negotiate. A very expensive but necessary trial of being very famous.

Iamdobby63 was it for adultery?

I can't help but think that Harry is going along with it quite willingly tbh.

I think the idea of charity work/engagements that they control & press of their choosing must be really appealing to him.

The idea of making decisions & not being told what to do...

Of course how easy he might find that after years in the army & personal staff is anyone's guess.

*@MichaelMumsnet there seems to be a couple of posters determined to attack each other, thus disrupting the thread. Is it possible to suspend their ability to post so that the discussion can continue?&

*@MichaelMumsnet there seems to be a couple of posters determined to attack each other, thus disrupting the thread. Is it possible to suspend their ability to post so that the discussion can continue?&

It's very depressing to come on and see that the last squillion or so messages have been deleted. Have we tired of mocking MM and turned on each other instead?

oops! This, sorry about bold fail etc.

The thing is, they cant afford their own security, assuming they 'only' have say £40m in the bank. That would last them 10 years! Given that they need that security (well H definitely does what with Army/Royal background; it would be hard to deny it to the baby; and then hard to deny to M too) someone is going to have to pay for it I guess.

If they stayed in the UK I think UK people would accept it as part of the running costs, but then if they wont stay here why should UK people pay?

Tax issues are going to be a big deal along with security. They may have to bounce around a lot to avoid tax. I half think they’ll end up back here unless someone makes a big gesture of paying their security.

Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not there yolofish?

If you are, that's good. If not, that's fine

Xpost yolo

TwentyViginti Yes, he was ‘the other man’ in the scandal. Not sure if he actually ended up going to court though.

As there is no evidence that the Sussex’s have done anything wrong other than want to do something different with their lives. I wish them well and hope they are happier in the future. In wanting a happy life, they are no different from anyone else.

The request for specific suspensions rather than deleting of the thread is a really good idea.

The rest of us are enjoying the thread and want to continue

Ok....so in an attempt to return to normality as @annielouise has requested...

Re Court Case

If Meghan is in Canada what power do the English courts have to make her appear as a witness if she isn't physically present in the country?

In the spirit of moving the thread back to its original topic...

I'm really puzzled by the fact that it is now being reported in the Telegraph that the current status of MM's application for British naturalisation is unknown but the residency rules might stop her application if she stays out of the UK long enough. This suggests that she still holds American citizenship. Yet my understanding is that Americans cannot hold titles except in an honorary fashion. That's why Angelina Jolie, although a DBE, cannot call herself Dame Angelina.

I think one of Queen Victoria’s children may have nearly been taken to court, can’t remember will have to refresh my memory.

Edward VII, when he was still Prince of Wales, had to testify in the Royal Baccarat Scandal, which was a high society card cheating affair. His mother...was not amused.

I absolutley was BoreofWhabylon! Yes please lets continue the discussion about what, to me, is actually quite an important issue. Years ago, people thought Diana could bring down the monarchy - before, during and after divorce and her death.

It seems so strange that now her daughter in law could do similar damage in such a short space of time. On balance, I think monarchy is better than the alternative, after all we've had it for a thousand years and I wouldnt like to see us chuck the baby out with the bathwater just for the sake of it.

And we do pageantry better than anyone else in the world!

If Meghan is in Canada what power do the English courts have to make her appear as a witness if she isn't physically present in the country?

The short answer is none, Fallen.

Harry can't stop being the Queens grandson ,nor Archie the great grandson so I think they have to have security .

Surely Charles can fund it in Canada from the £20 million + income generated by The Duchy Of Cornwall ? And then security as normal for RF when H and family in UK .