Harry and Meghan resigning Act 5 *MNHQ edited title*

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I’m not the original OP of the series. That credit must go to @TheMustressMhor
I just stepped in when the last thread filled up with no replacement

There is still an appetite for discussion / gossip depending on your POV.
I asked for MN to put it in the Royal Family topic as the subject is no longer headline news; but still ticking along. I think those people who are interested will find it and add their comments regardless of its location.

They have renounced their rights as a international protected person (usual status for senior members of RF) so there will be no security bills whilst they split their lives between UK and Canada.

I thought that they had simply removed the phrase "internationally protected persons" from the website - presumably because stepping back from active Royal duties (acting as representatives of the Head of State) means that this would be one of the matters that has to be reviewed.

Have I got this wrong?

Yes, where is @bertrandrussell?

Thanks @Parker231
I’m off to read that article.
I would so love go be a fly on the wall during the negotiations.

I do think this could be damaging for the Royal Family. They have come through some other relationship disasters after time, but I feel that is largely because the Queen is so highly thought of.
Like everyone else I completely understand that life as a working royal is constraining and sometimes boring, I can see why they might want out, but the way they have gone about it makes them both look greedy, self centred and lacking in brains.
I do wonder what they would do though, without the RF wealth and status. Harry is not trained for anything but an army career. Meghan was never going to be a big star, she is in her late thirties, old by Hollywood standards. What else can they do other than either stay as working royals which they clearly hate, or sell themselves and their Royal status ? Perhaps live quietly and relatively modestly on their money ? They don’t appear to want to leave the limelight at all.

They deleted the part about 'internationally protected people' from their website a few days ago, they had originally stated this meant they were entitled to funded security. I think they were told it's not as simple as that and not for them to dictate as it needs to be worked out. They still have public protection officers at present though.

drop the hysterical witch-hunting about how Mean Evil Hippo is being yet another mean evil WOC and trying to censor Hippo what are you on about? where is any of that happening on this thread?

dropping the internationally protected status - was that part of their announcement or is this new behind closed doors wrangling coming out?

Very long time lurker on these and other royal threads in Style and Beauty

Agree with much of what many posters, including @CurlyWurlyTwirly @DuchessofWoke and @WendyMoiraAngelaDarling have said. For what it’s worth:

I didn’t warm to Meghan from the beginning, finding her fake and annoying, in a similar way that I find some people irritating in real life. However, that didn’t necessarily make her a bad person or a bad choice for Harry.

I enjoyed their wedding, and wished them well (and she is undeniably beautiful)

The moment that pulled me up short was when she arrived at Eugenie’s wedding with her coat half unbuttoned.. I couldn’t believe there were so many people inventing convoluted reasons why she might have worn it like that, as opposed to fully buttoned up, open, or any other item of clothing – I thought it was outrageously attention-seeking, in a subtle way (if something can be outrageous and subtle at the same time)

After that, things have played out largely as I thought they would, though I am surprised by the speed at which events are moving. I thought she’d feel the need to keep up appearances for a bit longer.

However, as PP have suggested on other threads, at 38 she doesn’t have lots of time to waste if she wants to get a settlement from the RF, build the ‘brand’ (urgh), divorce Harry, get firmly established as an LA-based A lister, marry a billionaire

The bottom line is, no one who ‘craves a quiet family life’ focussed on good causes sets up a website like theirs. It is a monument to ego and artifice.

God, Harry, you utter idiot

For those last looking for more details of the visit to the refugee, there's loads in the Canadian press

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/meghan-markle-dtes-womens-shelter-1.5427270

I do think this is putting the RF between a rock and a hard place. If they are seen to be pandering to H&M, many people won't like it. If they are seen to be hard on them, many people won't like it.

Not like the PA thing where no sane person wouldn't want him to get the heave ho.

This is much trickier.

I appreciate that this isn't a thread "for bashing Meghan", but I have to question why it is that some people on here are blaming her personally and not H? I definitely don't see it that way and I don't think I'm especially biased.

I find it odd that there there seem to be tribes which show up on all the threads pro/con Meghan - so much so that they can be named. How bizarre. Surely, as the general public who don't know any of the parties well (just meeting them publicly for 10 minutes does not count as knowing someone). Confirmation bias is quite blinding and I would be sceptical of anything the known placard bearers have to say.

@Windows85

Yes, exactly
Harry, it's Harry, at the end of the day it's Harry's decision to marry and step back from senior royal duties. It's all his decision. Whoever influenced on him, doesn't count.
I personally think being senior royal is the last thing he should have given up though.

Can I suggest to posters that we stick to the subject matter in hand and report vigorously any posts which seem to breach the Talk Guidelines?
Getting into arguments with possible trolls will derail the thread(s)

A timely and worthwhile reminder, TheMustressMhor

FWIW I belive MNHQ are wise in asking for any doubts to be referred to them, rather than claims and counter claims being flung around the threads

joyfullittlehippo

I saw that WendyMoiraAngelaDarling recommended reading 'Sapiens', and made the comments about gossip, then your next post was saying 'i don't read cheap trash'.

I will leave this here.

Part of me feels actually sorry for MM. She must have had a very difficult and unstable childhood. Part of me also admires her for not deferring to the RF. She intends to "collaborate" with the RF. Collaborative flat hierarchies are du jour much more so than stuffy, traditional top down firms. Meg is with the Zeitgeist in that respect.
She isn't the sharpest tool in the shed for sure but compensates for this with ruthless ambition. It will be interesting how all this will play out in the next few weeks.

In terms of

Can I suggest to posters that we stick to the subject matter in hand and report vigorously any posts which seem to breach the Talk Guidelines?
Getting into arguments with possible trolls will derail the thread(s)

yes absolutely. And to answer someone up thread who said there were much bigger crises to worry about - of course there are, but at the moment this seems to be the one that is attracting most attention. And also, though this probably sounds a bit dramatic, strikes most at the heart of 'popular' Britain - the RF, the pomp and circumstance, the tradition blah blah. All of which I love in fact (not the RF so much but the rest of it), I think we do that kind of thing better than anyone else in the world. So to find someone who's been there for 5 minutes can potentially destroy it - well, that's a bit of a fucker IMO.

Sorry, Hippo, what that aimed towards me? I was not aiming my comment at you and I don't know what Reddit thing you are referring to ?!?

I do think this is putting the RF between a rock and a hard place

Absolutely agree. I think the Queen and the RF are simply keeping the lines of communication open and trying to be as reasonable as possible in order to give Harry a way back if he ever wants it in the future. It's incredibly difficult for them because family problems like this are normally kept private but they can't do this entirely as they would prefer because of the cost to the public purse, whatever they decide.

It's the public cost that makes it a matter of public interest and it's the same public cost that will determine how some of those complex issues will be decided.

Whether that's ever occurred before to either H or M is debatable. She is not accustomed to being the recipient of public money whereas he has never had to question it before. I really don't think they thought it through.

Hippo you did say that, I c&p’d your post.

Of course I didn’t read a post about you on Reddit. This isn’t Reddit. if there’s a separate discussion on there and you’ve been honoured with a mention by all means engage with it on there but don’t expect MNers to automatically know it even exists, or be happy for you derail these threads by ranting about it. Maybe start your own thread🤷‍♀️

I think the most vital issue in this whole saga is working out exactly how or if they still represent Britain. It really does need proper clarity.

If Meghan continues to choose her own engagements, how long before she inadvertently supports the wrong person and it becomes a political issue?

This is why it can't be a half hearted break. They are either with the royal family fully, with complete co-operation or not.

There's not much point in to-ing and fro-ing over upthe issues in the court case, is there? Both sides have set out their stalls, there are significant discrepancies between the two sides (some of them on matters which should be straightforward to evidence) and it will all come out when it comes to court.

Anyone know when that is likely to happen?

OVienna

I think it's very interesting that you find yourself outnumbered in these views amongst left leaning circles. It fits with the change in focus to far more identity based politics. You'd have thought most left wing people would be agreeing with us in that this is two incredibly privileged people being really cheeky and trying to make more and more money whilst lecturing to us proles. Instead people are focussing on the potential racism and missing the point entirely...imo.

I agree plane