To find the royal family fascinating part 3

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Don’t use it yet just putting it here ready for when part 2 runs out....

RubberTreePlant I'm in the east midlands - Bill used to live in my suburb, though I believe he moved to Cambridgeshire at some point

You're getting warm with the suggestion about Edwina, and there's a glorious tale of what the Queem Mum's supposed to have said, when she heard that Edwina had been buried at sea: "Poor dear Edwina; she always did love to make a splash"

Magic Kingdom I understand what you're ssying.but I think threads will often get deleted because any criticism of MM gets quite harsh responses then it descends into the usual bunfights. I think accusations of jealousy and racism doesn't help, if it's not true. To someone who is neither there's nothing worse.

I was only asking so I could track you down and ply you with

The aristocracy always do seem to supply most of the dissolute characters, don't they? Comes of having far too much time on your hands.

lyra's quite right, except that I don't think there are any current threads about she-who-can't-be-mentioned? I might even start one - anything to deflect the wreckers from this, which its interesting chat about other things

hink the reason mm gets so much stick is because she, more than any of the others blatantly goes above and beyond what people want to see. To wear an engagement dress costing 50 grand, maternity clothes costing approx half a million, the private planes, helicopter s (even if they were paid by someone else) is not something in these times people want to see. It's a throw back to days gone by when it was thought of as normal. The days of royal excesses flaunted in our faces reminiscent of the Queen mother and princess Margaret are now being repeated with Meghan Markle. (Air miles)Prince Andrew is probably even more

The thing is they are all obscenely wealthy on the back of absolutely no effort whatsoever on their part. Their false parsimony is purely for the purposes of self preservation, so the masses don't have to see their wealth rubbed in their faces, so don't get ideas above their station. Maybe the more profligate Royals are the ones being the most honest!

You're getting warm with the suggestion about Edwina, and there's a glorious tale of what the Queem Mum's supposed to have said, when she heard that Edwina had been buried at sea: "Poor dear Edwina; she always did love to make a splash"

She certainly knew how to enjoy herself!

Puzzledandpissedoff

Oh please share! They had a very unconventional marriage. Both are very interesting, their time in India , as controversial as it was , looks like something out of novels,

I read lady Pamela’s books, In India remembered , she says that when Edwina died , she left all her letters To Louis , he asked his daughter to have a look , he didn’t want to read anything hurtful , presumably about her affairs.

he asked his daughter to have a look , he didn’t want to read anything hurtful , presumably about her affairs

I find that quite selfish. He was well aware that his wife had affairs, and did he I believe. But asking their daughter to look seems quite wrong. Her best friend or a close friend maybe but their DD didn’t need to know any of the details he feared reading anymore than he did!

Edwina Mountbatten was well known to have had an affair with Nehru while she was Vicereine as well as one earlier with a well-known black musician whose name escapes me. Mountbatten was rumoured to be at the very least bisexual so it could have been a question of a consensual open marriage, much like I think the Yorks' relationship may be except that they are divorced and cohabitating.

Now we're on the Mountbattens, did anybody else think Lord and Lady Montdore in "Love in a Cold Climate" was based on them...?

Oh Pamela was in her 30s I think, and was aware about her presumed affairs I suppose.

They both had affairs. He said that they both spent the majority of their marriage getting into other people’s beds.

I’m starting to think that fidelity is quite a new concept for certain circles in society , I mean imagine both spouses having affairs the evening before and sitting down for breakfast the next day and Chat about what’s written in the papers.

It must have been the norm for most, as long as you are discreet I suppose then it’s fair game?

twomanypaws the Black musician was called Hutch, and he suffered greatly when the affair news was reported in the papers.

Has it already been mentioned that Edwina's godfather was Edward VII? Any chance she was actually his DD? Maybe sex obsession runs in the family...!

Wasn't Edwina also vastly wealthier than Louis? I'm sure Broadlands, where they lived (and where Charles often met Camilla, came from her family line rather than his royal ties.

@AGnu have you seen these snippets from Wikipedia?

Some confusion over her birthdate (!) and he was at the wedding as a friend of her mother.

You might just, possibly, be onto something.

I wonder if there is a genuine discrepancy there and some hinting is going on? Or is it Wikipedia shoddiness?

I know I'll end up wasting an hour in the week nosing into it 😏

Broadlands did indeed belong to Edwina - or rather her father Wilfred Ashley, who left it to her on his death

Seems her grandfather is the connection. He was the king’s banker and close friend and was on the Privy council. Was also friends with Churchill.

They must have been an unusual match as although he was linked to royalty she seems to have come from a seriously high ranking family!

have I uncovered an actual royal secret?! Do I need to watch out for men in suits at my door?!

How would one go about finding old birth certificates?

have I uncovered an actual royal secret?!

How funny would that be?

I can see the Times headlines

They must have been an unusual match as although he was linked to royalty she seems to have come from a seriously high ranking family!

You could say exactly the same about Prince Philip and (then) Princess Elizabeth, though. Marrying impoverished minor royalty is a good choice in "suitability" and "bloodline" terms.

Queen Mary is another example. She started off as the poverty-stricken Princess May of Teck.

Everyone aristocratic knew Mountbatten was a Prince. It was just that he'd lost his title in the unfortunate war-aftermath business, poor chap.

How would one go about finding old birth certificates?

You can order them from the GRO online. Or go to the registry office they were registered in and order from there

RubberTreePlant

I worded that badly sorry. I was meaning more they must have been quite unusual in that he was a Prince and she was the one with the money and just as many connections despite her not being royalty or titled herself.

Very often it's the man who has the title/power/money in those matches whereas despite being a commoner she had it all and he had very little.

Quick bit of sleuthing tells me that there was an Edwina A C Ashley born in early 1902 & it gives her place of birth as St George Hanover Square. That would mean that not only are both the wiki dates wrong but so is her place of birth & the order of her middle names!