Going to look at a cockerpoo puppy this morning

[BarchesterTowers]

We were on the wairin* list. But she rang yesterday saying that one of the current litter isn5t going to br picked up. Did w3 want to come look. Means we won’t get a choice.

Sorry I presumed that was a plus. If I got a lazy cocker, it wouldn't be what I wanted. I would love it all the same, but it's not what I wanted.

You said you visited to so that you knew that dog was the right one. I just assumed it was what you wanted

I am not being arsey but I am interested as to why people choose a cockapoo rather than cocker or poodle.

Two bitches pregnant at the same time would be a no go for me. I hope you're not paying a lot for this cross breed. She sounds like a bit of a money grabber to me!

I'm guessing the rescues quickly realised what the dog was intended for (as a toy for the kids) and then laughed down the phone, rightly so
Fraggot, if that is your attitude to your work in rescue, then you and your arrogance are part of the problem.

I was the one who had the laughing rescue staffer on the phone. I'd rung a small local rescue. I said I was hoping to re-home a dog, and that I was at home full time because I had young children, the oldest was 6 and - Before I got any further she laughed at me.

They had a blanket ban, she told me: no children under ten, under any circumstances. She didn't bother to find out that we didn't want a dog as 'a toy for the kids', or that DH and I had both grown up with a motley assortment of dogs (some of them rehomes), or that we had wanted a dog since we first got together, or that we were not planning any more DC, or that the DC were very used to dogs, or that finally we had a big enough house and garden to have space for a dog, or that we would walk the dog every day, love it, vet it... None of that. Just, you have kids, hahahaha who do you think you are, NO!

So, as I said, we got a puppy. The DC were taught to respect her and none of them even came close to being bitten. She wasn't brilliantly trained, but her recall was decent, she was very social to people and other dogs, she had two walks a day almost every day of her 15 year life, had a lot of fun, and started a new generation of dog owners on their love of dogs.

We could have given that life to a well-screened young rescue, in fact we were asking to do so, but some pompous arrogant arse thought laughter the best answer to an honest enquiry. We could have been started on a long career of rescuing dogs, but having found other rescues almost equally restrictive, we didnt. And having had one puppy and thoroughly enjoying the experience, we've had two more since. We know about puppies now, much more than we know about settling in a rescue or dealing with any issues it might have. In fact, I've got quite serious about what I do with my dogs, so when we last looked for a puppy, we had a particular breed in mind and I was after particular traits within that breed.

So yes, great result from laughing down the phone at someone. Go that staffer. Well bloody done.

Agree with everything Scarsalot says.
I don't hate cockerpoos,
I actually think they're potentially super dogs but personally I'd be too lazy to keep up with the grooming.
The issue I have is the people who breed them for money with no regard for welfare.

If your vet honestly hand on heart recommended this breed or this "reputable breeder" please PLEASE find a new vet.

@bluebluezoo
If you are wanting to avoid allergies you need a pure poodle, yorkshire terrier,

But I don't like Yorkshire terriers! I have dc and we wanted a robust bigger dog who could go on long country runs at the weekend. And pure poodles have high grooming costs, so I want keen on that either.

I did my research thank you very much. And I went in with my eyes wide open about the type of attributes I wanted.

It seems if potential owners have a preference for the type of dog they want, then they are criticised for wanting a 'designer dog'. But if they don't understand all the attributes and what's involved with the particular dog then they are also criticised for being fickle!

I understand the need for shutting down puppy farms, absolutely. And also helping rescue dogs, where possible. But we cannot shoehorn rescue dogs into holes that don't fit, that wouldn't be fair on anyone. Saying that, rescue centres need to be more flexible on potential owners who work or have kids. This blanket ban is ridiculous.

And pure poodles have high grooming costs as do poodle crosses....

Poodle crosses are crossed for the hair.

They have very similar, if not the same costs

And pure poodles have high grooming costs as do poodle crosses....hmm

Exactly. In fact crosses are often worse as the mix means the coat will felt if not combed daily with regular trips to the groomer.

If that was the only reason you got a poodle cross....kind of makes my point...

The vast majority of people are attracted to certain looks in a dog, that is not the issue here. However much you love dogs, all of us are drawn to certain looks more than others and that is completely normal. It's the very rare person who goes to a rescue and asks for the dog most in need, regardless of looks.

The issue is wanting a certain look, regardless of breed traits or provenance. That's the puppy farmers' dream customer.

If you want to avoid allergies a poodle cross doesnt guarantee that anyway and you wouldnt know until they were older.

The vast majority of people are attracted to certain looks in a dog, that is not the issue here.

Unclipped poodles look pretty much identical to cockapoos.

Which one's which?

It seems if potential owners have a preference for the type of dog they want, then they are criticised for wanting a 'designer dog'. But if they don't understand all the attributes and what's involved with the particular dog then they are also criticised for being fickle!*

This isnt the case. Spaniels suit our family. Regular long walks, want a dog we can train alot, like to work them in walks (not actual working dogs) like the breed and love how they look.

But the point is that everyone I have ever met met who wants a poodle cross names allergies and grooming costs as a reason to nor go for a puddle or whatever its crossed with.

Yet poodle crosses have no guarantee of being hypoallergenic. And have high grooming costs. And lots of them are bred without health checks, good welfare etc.

And then people arent getting what they expect. A guest generation poodle cross has about 25% chance of being non shedding. So you have a 75% chance of not getting the non shedding dog. And it will probably have higher grooming costs than the dog the poodle was bred with.

These are peoples concerns. They are purely bred and then rehomed because they arent what the owners were told when selling.

If someone said 'I looked at temepement, how it fit in the family, liked the looks and made sure the breedwr had proper health checks etc' there wouldn't really be an issue.

It would be the same as anyone else looking at a dog. Rescue or puppy.

But when 2 things are the reasons, that arent even true, it makes me wonder how much someone actually looked into this type of dog, breedee or ling term costs. This is why so many are in rescue.

@adaline most people wouldn't know the difference in a poodle and a poodle x. If you look online for a puppy though you'll probably more easily find a poodle x to come home with today.

Yep, how they look is actually a key component. The cuter the dog (to you), the more oxytocin is released when you look at it, the stronger the love you feel for it.

But everything else needs to work too - because ultimately, the dog you get and the dog you love becomes beautiful in your eyes anyway.

p.s. my money's on the 2nd photo being the poodle.

I an guessing the left one is the cockapoo. But its honestly a guess. I think most people think this when someone says poodle

I think most people think this when someone says poodle

Exactly. Their traditional "show cut" is what puts people off because they have the image of this silly looking "frou frou" type dog, when in reality poodles are water dogs and working dogs who are actually incredibly intelligent.

Combine that with the cocker and you end up with a very energetic working cross that needs vast amounts of stimulation and energy, not a calm hypoallergenic family dog. I've never met a calm poo/doodle dog, ever.

I have an 8 month old cockapoo puppy.....we got him from a woman who was letting her spaniel have one litter before being neutered. We visited the house several times before bringing him home....the poor woman was sobbing as the puppies left, I was too, lol.

Anyway, the reason I’m replying is this, my ringo was bred from a small cocker and a miniature poodle, but genes can throw back upto 8 generations. Here is my 8 month old puppy now with still growing to do ..... don’t assume you’ll get a small dog lol

OH And for the record I have one rescue dog and this pup.

@fivedogstofeed

Mine doesn't actually! We chose one specifically for that.

@Iggy131313 are you still in touch with the breeder? That is a massive puppy....

I just totally misread something on here about Yorkies and allergies. I have had many Yorkies in my life and they don't moult (very much), but Yorkies themselves are prone to allergies! I have had 2 with skin problems, my last one was allergic to pollen and spent a lot of the year on steroids. West Highland whites have similar skin problems. Managing a dog with an allergy is expensive and time consuming.
Re poodles. I have a toy poodle who is regularly mistaken for a poodle cross simply because of the way I have her trimmed (same length all over). I have been told that poodle crosses can have coats that are more difficult to manage than pure poodle coats simply because they have a tendency to mat up more.

@fivedogstofeed yeah we are still in touch, he was the biggest pup in the litter and his brothers and sisters are not this big! He is perfectly healthy and in great condition, it’s just one of those things! I met both the mum and dad, I’m gonna order a dna test to see where the standard genes come in, as I’m pretty sure that the miniature poodle has standard somewhere in his ancestry.

Ah @Iggy131313 cute - my sister has 2 and they are tiny in comparison. One much more so than the other . However they feel even tinier than they look. She brought them round my house recently, I hadn't seen them since they were much smaller and I was concerned having 2 dogs in my small un dog proofed flat that they knock over the Christmas tree/my ornaments etc but they came floating in like little clouds or air and prance so lightly you don't even hear or feel their foot prints, I swear they float 😆. This is one of the reasons they are great around kids (apart from their terrific temperament) as even when playing and excited they are unlikely to accidentally knock a toddler over like another dog their height might. They wouldn't be my choice of dog for many reasons, but everyone has different preferences.

Mine doesn't actually! We chose one specifically for that.

Without so doing arsey, dogs coats from when they are a puppy. The fact that yours doesnt need much grooming is chance. It's not because you chose well.

Surely the breeder explained all this?