Going to look at a cockerpoo puppy this morning

[BarchesterTowers]

We were on the wairin* list. But she rang yesterday saying that one of the current litter isn5t going to br picked up. Did w3 want to come look. Means we won’t get a choice.

If you’re not suitable to adopt, you shouldn’t have a dog. Simple

Absolute crap.

If you’re not suitable to adopt, you shouldn’t have a dog. Simple.

Bullshit.

Rescue dogs have very different needs to puppies. The two are no comparable in any way.

Or are you really saying everyone who has been rejected by rescues and who has gone on to buy a dog is a shit owner?

DSD got a cockapoo puppy. She knows absolutely nothing about dogs. It was only later that she appreciated the seller was a puppy farmer. Her dog is healthy but has significant behavioural problems which have been impossible for professionals to resolve. She isn't safe with other dogs and becomes aggressive towards certain people. The trainers she consulted have both said her dog's issues stem from its early experiences.

In her shoes would try have the dog rehomed to knowledgeable dog people or, in extremis, have her PTS but my DSD feels she must stick by her dog however inconvenient and hard work she is.

But she very much regrets buying a puppy from a puppy farmer. Her puppy was the last of the litter too, and the breeder made some excuse for why they never saw the mother.

Well I wasn't considered suitable to adopt and have given ddog 10 years (so far) of an absoluty charmed life

We've done a 5k parkrun together this morning and currently having some lazy cuddles, will probably wander through the woods behind our house later and then he will stretch out in front of the fire.

The barriers to adoption were dd (now 18) and the guinea pigs (still got some), neither of which seem to be impacting too greatly on ddogs life!

The puppy school we went to is run by a man who does some small scale rehoming of dogs he knows and he is much more sensible with his 'rules' so if we are ever looking to get another dog would probably rescue via this route. But I can understand why the market for disreputable breeders doesn't go away.

I volunteer for a breed specific rescue.

Yes we have very strict rules for rehoming and if we didn’t the adopters would be the first to complain if something went wrong.

'If you're not suitable to adopt, you shouldn't have a dog'
Ffs some of the shite that gets spewed on here, bloody halfwits.

Or are you really saying everyone who has been rejected by rescues and who has gone on to buy a dog is a shit owner?

1. We’re talking about puppies. Rescues have puppies.

1. Are you really saying that one (or more) example of someone being turned down to adopt and going on to successfully care for a dog is enough to justify rescues not having restrictions? Or the need for breeders, puppy farms etc?

In my experience, and that’s over two decades of home checking and fostering traumatised and abused dogs, those who have been turned down to adopt were absolutely unsuitable to own a dog; whether that be bought or adopted. Added to that the vast majority of our dogs come from homes with children/kept in small spaces and so couldn’t possibly be put back into that environment, regardless of whether the prospective rescuers are suitable or not.

They’re a luxury and a privilege. Not something to keep the kids entertained for 5 mins.

*Of course op will. Some people don’t give a shit where the dog comes from, or how other animals suffer, as long as they get their ‘designer doggie’.

It’ll also probably be rehomed again within months. It disgusts me.*

OP won't listen to any of the posts on this thread. She wants her dog now and doesn't care what cruelty happens to the parents and puppies for that to happen.

These sort of comments annoy me massively, you don't know the op so you are basing your judgements on a few lines that she has written. You have written your own narrative so that you have a reason to be nasty to the op..... worst side of Mumsnet.

Op if you're still reading, there's a lot of good advice on here about breeders, warning signs and rescuing rather than buying....,. Tread carefully and good luck

I bought a puppy. By Fraggot’s estimation earlier, I’m practically evil.

We should all rescue dogs.

Nobody should buy a puppy, ever. Does everyone on mumsnet rescue dogs? Did nobody ever buy a puppy ever?

What utter crap!

Are you really saying that one (or more) example of someone being turned down to adopt and going on to successfully care for a dog is enough to justify rescues not having restrictions? Or the need for breeders, puppy farms etc?

Of course rescues should have restrictions. I've never said they shouldn't. But being turned down by a rescue doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to have a dog.

We were turned down because we both work full-time, even though the dog would spend the three days a week we were both out of the house with my in-laws who've owned dogs all their lives. We were also told our garden wasn't big enough for a dog, even though we live in the middle of a national park and have beaches, mountains, lakes and a nature reserve on our doorstep.

Us going out, researching and getting a puppy from a reputable breeder doesn't make us shit owners. Our dog has a charmed life - two walks a day, constant company, excellent food, toys, treats, attention, a roof over his head and two loving owners who would do anything for him.

They’re a luxury and a privilege. Not something to keep the kids entertained for 5 mins.

Sure. But that doesn't mean you need to rescue a dog to be a good person. Rescues often come with their own pre-existing issues and are not for everyone. We don't have children either, so presumably that part of your argument doesn't apply to us?

Yes we have very strict rules for rehoming and if we didn’t the adopters would be the first to complain if something went wrong.*

Which is a great idea but some people who as still perfectly suitable to have dogs will then need to buy a puppy or dog.

www.thedodo.com/adoption-applications-perfect-family-1190660240.html

We were turned down because we both work full-time, even though the dog would spend the three days a week we were both out of the house with my in-laws

So what was the point in getting a dog? Why not just get your in-laws a dog and take him out now and then?

Nobody should buy a puppy, ever.

Of course they shouldn’t how bizarre that you don’t understand that. Without the sale of puppies there would be no need for breeders and puppy farms. Wouldn’t you rather that?

@Fraggot Come on, being out of the house 3 days a week doesn't mean it's pointless having a dog. That still leaves the vast majority of the time to be with your lovely little companion, and if the dog gets to spend some time with other family, or around its pals in daycare, then great.

I could understand if you're talking about owners that leave their dogs alone for a full working day, but in this context your comment is way OTT.

Why not just get your in-laws a dog and take him out now and then?

Because they didn't want the full-time commitment of a dog? Because he wanted a dog? Because we were home four days a week and had an arrangement where the dog was never left alone for longer than an hour to two?

Your comments are just ridiculous. I'm out.

Without the sale of puppies there would be no need for breeders and puppy farms. Wouldn’t you rather that?

I'm not anti-breeders at all in the right context. Good breeders don't do it for the money and are all about the welfare of their dogs.

Besides, if there were no puppies ever, there'd be no dogs to rescue.

Without the sale of puppies there would be no need for breeders and puppy farms. Wouldn’t you rather that?
Without the sale of puppies, there would be no dogs.. Or, at least, very very few because most people want to at least recoup their costs (vet bills, extra food, laundry, whelping box) etc when they breed a litter, and probably also feel that some financial recompense for their time isn't out of order either.

I detest puppy farms and puppy farmers, but there is some serious batshittery on this thread.

there is some serious batshittery on this thread

There always is on threads where someone says they are thinking of buying a puppy.

It is a crazy world.

I will never understand why people buy designer dogs rather than try to adopt/rescue first. It blows my mind.

Good breeders don't do it for the money and are all about the welfare of their dogs.

so what reason do they get their beloved pets reproducing to sell for?

Without the sale of puppies, there would be no dogs.*

Ok. Because there’s a shortage n that.

If they aren't a puppy farm why did they want rid of the bitch when she could no longer pump out babies? Why did your friend have to 'take her in'? What would they have done with her otherwise? Long walk into the woods? Not all puppy farms are old barns in run down farms. Many are fronted from middle class living rooms.

@Fraggot as someone who works with a rescue, you are being ridiculous.

You could argue that if rescues didnt make ridiculous blanket bans, less people would buy puppies.

Not all rescue dogs are the same. Some (especially puppies) can be rehomed with kids or in a smallish garden. For example.

Someone who is out 3 days a week, but make alternative arrangements, that are well thought out and responsible is a perfectly good dog owner.

I do think people should rescue before buying. But it's not always possible. It's also possible to get a puppy from a responsible breeder. It's not rescue or puppy farm.

Theres plenty of shit dog owners that are at home all day, dont walk them etc.

It's people like you that put people off wcen speaking to rescues.

Batshittery indeed. Ever since we got the dog I’ve noticed that the internet is a hotbed of rabid batshittery when anyone mentions puppies.

I’ve come off all the fb forums I originally joined, as there were some absolute cranks on there.

Same back at you @Scarsthelot.

Not all rescue dogs are the same. Some (especially puppies) can be rehomed with kids or in a smallish garden. For example.

This is precisely my point. Those saying rescues are too restrictive when it is the potential dog owners who come with their own restrictions and expectations.

I’ve never worked with a rescue that has blanket bans and there are dogs that will happily live in some circumstances that others can’t. It requires some effort to search the rescues and flexibility in the kind of dog a person will take but that’s not present here. This is a straightforward ‘I want a puppy designer dog. That’s it’.

Someone who is out 3 days a week, but make alternative arrangements... is a perfectly good owner

Arrangements and commitments change. The minimum requirements upheld by rescues are there for the protection and progression of the dog. If one can’t adhere to them but another can, I’d place the dog with the one who can every time.

Those saying rescues are too restrictive when it is the potential dog owners who come with their own restrictions and expectations.

No it's the rescues that are restrictive. Having you dog looked after by someone responsible 3 days isnt restrictive to having a dog.

There are lots of rescues with blanket bans. A pp mentioned one she worked with. 2 that i follow on facebook have blanket 'no children under 16' bans.

Arrangements and commitments change. The minimum requirements upheld by rescues are there for the protection and progression of the dog. If one can’t adhere to them but another can, I’d place the dog with the one who can every time

But the one who can adhere, might have a change if circumstance too. The first couple may have a change for the better, maybe get a job that's work from home. The ones who you would choose may have to go back to work for many reasons.

Neither group is immune from changes.

Not sure what you mean by, right back at you. No one doesnt approach a rescue because someone has a balanced view.