Going to look at a cockerpoo puppy this morning

[BarchesterTowers]

We were on the wairin* list. But she rang yesterday saying that one of the current litter isn5t going to br picked up. Did w3 want to come look. Means we won’t get a choice.

Isn't any talk of breed traits generalisation?

Do make sure she's licensed, she should be if she's churning out so many litters.
That way, you know they have been vet inspected and their set up is as it should be.

Her license should actually be displayed somewhere, that is part of the new welfare act.

Why did your friend need to take in one of their ex breeding bitches?

If they aren't a puppy farm why aren't they keeping their dogs once they have had puppies?

I'm sure the dog your friends got is lovely, she was making them a lot of money. But thats all she was to them.

Think about it OP. There will be plenty of puppies in rescues in the coming months (potentially even this very puppy ). Don't support puppy farms.

@fivedogstofeed Without going into the whole story - my puppy wasn't from a puppy farm, I didn't get the 'last puppy' line, I was just speaking to the OP about how hard it is to be rational once you are there because you can ignore your gut and get swept away with the moment.
I have posted on here lots about my little man and he is Just a little anxious character and there were signs that I ignored.
It's the same when going to a rescue. You have to really think about your limitations with exercise, does the dogs personality and needs match with your family and commitments.
I wouldn't get a puppy from a puppy farm full stop, but you have all given op loads of good advice about that x

If you decide to get your puppy google socialisation of puppies. It's a really small window and makes a big difference in the personality of dog you will get! Talk to your vet but mine recommended getting them out to experience stuff in low risk activities until the vaccinations held.

There's a chance someone did pull out, otherwise I'm sure the breeder would have said there was one puppy still available when OP originally phoned. My friends has had it happen even after someone had left a large deposit. However lots of other warning signs. I guess it depends how experienced OP is and if she's prepared to deal with any potential issues as someone is going to take the dog - better to be someone who can give it a great life and has the money if there are any life long health problems.
Fwiw my sister has 2 cockapoos and despite being litter mates they are fantastic dogs - they were easy to train and although they have plenty energy for walks and are bouncy and happy they tend to come home and completely chill. They aren't all crazy and unmanageable- oh and neither shed but their hair cuts are expensive!

The dog is designed not to shed hair, which isn't a minus in my book. If you are happy the dog is bred responsibly and healthy, then by all means get the dog. No idea why there is such a lot of negativity here.

We bred from our springer one litter, which was more than enough effort from her and us. I'm not sure how you find a 'responsible' breeder, or how many litters a bitch is supposed to have over their lifetime. Maybe worth asking this question?

Maximum 3 litters over a lifetime I would say is reasonable. But that’s for top of the line working/show dogs.

As a pp has mentioned, breeding should be to continue an extremely good bloodline. Not to design ‘non-shedding’ dogs to suit the whims of people that was a fluffy teddy bear looking animal.

Surely in the day and age no one is stupid, ignorant and selfish enough to buy a puppy and not consider the thousands sat in rescues.

Unfortunately, people must still do it. If they didnt backyard breeders and puppy farms wouldn't exist.

The dog is designed not to shed hair, which isn't a minus in my book. If you are happy the dog is bred responsibly and healthy, then by all means get the dog. No idea why there is such a lot of negativity here.

Do you realise that breeding to not shed, is something that takes generations? It is a bad thing is not done correctly. Because people end up getting ine assuming it wont shed and is hypo allergenic, then rehoming as neither is true.

The problem with puppy farms or irresponsible breeders are that they just sell the dogs to anyone. This section of mn and facebook pages are full of people whose research about a breed did not throw the most basic information about a breed

I work with the spaniel rescue I got my 2 nd dog from. Most springers are surrendered by people who didnr realise how much exercise and interaction they needed. 'We thought they were meant to be a nice family dog's is said all the time. They are brilliant family dogs, if treated how they need to be.

All these dogs were nor sold by reputable breeders who ensured their puppies were going to homes that knew what to anticipate.

*Surely in the day and age no one is stupid, ignorant and selfish enough to buy a puppy and not consider the thousands sat in rescues.

Unfortunately, people must still do it. If they didnt backyard breeders and puppy farms wouldn't exist.*

Rescues often have over prohibitive rules. Id be excluded straight away as I have DC, live in a flat and don't have an enclosed garden (very large communal area though and direct access to miles of paths and park) however our lifestyle would be great for a small dog but they won't look at it on a case by case basis. They have blanket rules. Thankfully my friend plans to have a litter from my absolute favourite dog of hers in the future so I won't have to negotiate the puppy market

Some rescues do have struct rules. Some dont.

But from a puppy farm or irresponsible, inexperienced breeder, is not the way to go.

Rescues often have over prohibitive rules.

For a reason.

If you’re not suitable to adopt, you shouldn’t have a dog. Simple.

I do dog fostering and see some horrendous things. I also do home visits for potential new homes and have lost count of the amount of times I’ve tried to explain why a home with children is the last thing a traumatised dog needs, only to met with a blank stare and a response along the lines of:

‘Oh but they’re ever so gentle/but little Tim loves dogs/I’ve always had dogs... never mind, we’ll just go to a breeder ’

Hoping you’re a troll and not someone who is willing to line the pockets of a puppy farmer.
Good breeders don’t sell their breeding bitches when they are done breeding them. That’s grim. Good breeders may have a litter or two out of a treasured dog but would never let her go after that.
Good breeders don’t have consecutive litters. More like one every few years.
Health tests? And no I don’t mean a check by a vet to say they’re “healthy”.

You’ll get nowhere on here OP. You’re the devil for buying a puppy no matter what (even though rescuing is near impossible)

I've come to the conclusion Mumsnet hate doodles. I've got a 8 yr old golden doodle and know of two local breeders who are amazing, really lovely animal homes with beautifully brought up puppies so no not all puppies come from puppy farms and I think there's a sweeping generalisation on here.

People always get defensive and ‘their breeder’ was perfect and lovely.

The fact of the matter is if you own a doodle YOU are PERSONALLY feeding the need for these dogs. And for every ‘good’ breeder there are hundreds that are fucking horrific.

If you can’t see that, or don’t want to then that’s fine. But there’s a reason lots and lots of posters are against these dogs, and it’s not because they’re being judgemental.

Fraggot in all fairness some rules are far too strict. Whilst a good rescue dogs are not suitable for homes with kids (or nor enough is known about them) some dogs are fine to be rehomed with children.

Case in point. The rescue my dog came from, has a litter of cockpoos. The owner passed away. The owners daughter is looking after them in the same home, but as she was never involved in the selling of pups she has approached the rescue to rehome. She lives with the mother dog so nothing has changed for them.

They havent been traumatised. A responsible owner with children is not a bad place for these pups to go to.

I understand a rescue being open to rehoming other children but being clear that they dont often get dogs that they would rehome with children and that if they say no children, It's no children.

I dont understand a rescue saying absolutely no children. Ever.

The issue with poodle crosses is that they are often bred and sold irresponsibly.

People told they are money shedding and hypo allergenic. When theres no guarantee of that. And in most cases a higher chance that they will shed.

This leads to lots of these types of dogs being rehomed.

I've come to the conclusion Mumsnet hate doodles

Not at all. Mumnset hates puppy farmers and unfortunately most breeders of these "designer" dogs are dodgy and only in it for the money. Very, very few of them will health test their dogs and lots of them breed the 'poos and 'doodles in between breeding spaniels or poodles as cross litters can't need to be registered and therefore don't count.

I've come to the conclusion Mumsnet hate doodles.

Nothing against cross breeds at all.

Sadly though, with poodle crosses more often than not they are from backyard breeders churning out litters for ££££ before discarding the older bitches. Like in the OP.

I think sometimes the phrase 'puppy farm' makes you think of someone really dodgy.

One of the most well-known breeders of 'crosses' near me is 100% respectable, her dogs are usually beautiful and there are few health issues. People pay around 1k for a dog.

She's still 100% a puppy farmer though, she churns out 100s of puppies a year, if you buy a bitch you get her for £300 on the condition she litters three times and the breeder then owns the puppies.

It is a total fucking disgrace and I am consistently shocked by the number of otherwise intelligent people who fall for her bullshit.

@lonny that's horrific.
I remain unconvinced that there are any reputable doodle/poo breeders.
All of them are breeding to cash in on a craze. A doodle/poo is a simple cross not a breed in its own right.

@GrimDamnFanjo I agree. That's why threads like this are important, even if the OP has put her fingers in her ears, you never know who else is reading. Respectability, even someone who actually treats her dogs well can still equal a puppy farm. People need to do a LOT of research.

And adopt don't shop.