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Maltipoo Puppy Breeder Recommendations - UK

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Catsandkids78 · 15/05/2018 16:07

Hi, I have a friend looking for a Maltipoo breeder in the UK - prepared to travel for the right puppy & must be able to see it with Mum.

Struggling to find a reputable breeder.

OP posts:
DiamondsBestFriend · 16/05/2018 11:04

The reality is that it just isn’t that black and white, however much people want to distinguish between puppy farms/backyard breeders and so called reputable breeders.

The reality is that all poodle crosses are bred for the money pure and simple. They’re designer mongrels with a high price tag which is only attainable because people are prepared to pay for them.

But the other reality is that while many puppy farms really are the horrible places we see on watchdog and the like, many are simply backyard breeders who have allowed the family pet to fall pregnant by the neighbour’s dog or whatever. And the other reality, however much people would like to dispute it is that very few puppies have serious health problems which would have been picked up if they’d been bred through so-called reputable means, and as such most people who buy a puppy from a backyard breeder will get a dog which will live out its days happy and healthy. Which is why the trade continues to be successful.

I will state at this point that I am not in the market for any kind of doG so have no agenda here. But what I will say is that of three people I know who bought puppies, two bought from questionable sources i.e. one almost certainly a puppy farm given it was a maltese and had nine puppies (maltese just don’t have that many,) and the other had been bought from a couple who originally bought it from gumtree, those two dogs are crossbreeds and are perfectly healthy with no underlying health problems associated with their various breeds. Whereas the third is a pure breed, where the breeder was long researched, had a good reputation, known within the dog circles, the individual waited several months for a puppy, and that dog has had all manner of health problems throughout its life despite the parents having been health tested and the owner having proof of that fact.

So even with pure bred dogs there are absolutely no guarantees even if you go with a reputable breeder.

Catsandkids78 · 16/05/2018 11:04

I myself have rescue dogs and many cats, as well as kc reg labs from kc breeders.

There are puppy farms all over and from watching the documentaries they sell every single breed and often produce fake KC papers and the likes so yes one certainly has to do their own research.

My friend needs a small low shed dog - we talked about her getting a mini poodle as it will be easier to find a reputable breeder through the breed club / kc lists however she is still interested in the Moodle / Cavapoo/ Maltipoo type - primarily a maltipoo.

OP posts:
tabulahrasa · 16/05/2018 11:13

“If someone posts a pic of a Labrador/JRT/Spaniel/Poodle or any other breed puppy nobody mentions puppy farms.”

I wouldn’t mention it when anyone posts any picture, of any breed or crosss... what’s the point then? They already have the puppy.

I mean hands up, I didn’t mention puppy farms when someone said they were getting a smooth collie not long ago - but they’re so few of them that it wasn’t relevant.

Appletreecorner · 16/05/2018 11:43

Exactly Tabhulrasa. But any pic or mention of a poo cross and the thread gets filled with yells of puppy farm! There's no disputing that puppy farmers are breeding the 'In' dog. They always have done no matter what breed or cross breed.

They are making a fortune from pugs and French bulldogs at the moment. I am in shock that people pay £1,000's for a dog that are known to have many health problems. Struggling to breathe is the tip of the iceberg.

At least most poo crosses are relatively healthy. I don't own a poo cross btw but what I've seen of them they all appear happy and healthy. Not too many of them around here. It's all pugs, frenchies and chi's around here. Puppy farmers must be rolling in it!

tabulahrasa · 16/05/2018 11:55

“But any pic or mention of a poo cross and the thread gets filled with yells of puppy farm!”

They come up on any looking for a popular type of puppy thread - I suppose the big difference is that if someone wants a westie for instance, as well as mentioning watching for puppy farms you’d then tell them to go get in touch with people who show them (as they don’t work) and start whittling breeders down from there to find a good breeder.

So there is no starting point, nobody is showing poodle crosses, nobody is working them, nobody is breeding with any purpose other than selling puppies.

Nesssie · 16/05/2018 12:06

I agree Appletreecorner on MN you cannot ask for breeders/puppies without 'puppy farmer' being shouted.

Many people, who are licensed, with suitable living and whelping areas, health checked parents, correct socialisation, living inside a family home, vet checked etc - breed crossbreed dogs. They are not puppy farmers.

Nesssie · 16/05/2018 12:07

So there is no starting point, nobody is showing poodle crosses, nobody is working them, nobody is breeding with any purpose other than selling puppies - because people don't always want a show dog, a working dog, a pedigree dog. They just want a nice family pet. And there is nothing wrong with that. If they want to spend thousands of pounds on a crossbreed, let them!

fivedogstofeed · 16/05/2018 12:09

If they are licenced they are breeding at least 3 litters a year ( or more, depending on your council area) - Inside a family home? yeah right...

tabulahrasa · 16/05/2018 12:12

“They just want a nice family pet. And there is nothing wrong with that.”

No, there isn’t... there is something wrong with throwing ethics out the window to get one.

fivedogstofeed · 16/05/2018 12:17

tabularasa sums it up Grin

90sBrows · 16/05/2018 12:43

Those opposite moodles I mentioned ealier in the thread? One has the low-shed people coat. The second one sheds everywhere. It's way more Maltese than its alleged sibling.

Appletreecorner · 16/05/2018 12:47

If a reputable, licensed breeder who lives on a farm, as in working farm, breeds spaniels, poodles and Labradors and has the lineage and KC papers for each of their dogs, produces health tested papers and sells their puppies as Pedigree, KC registered with parents health tested papers that's ok.

The puppies are raised in heated pen blocks with outdoor run for the puppies to socialise with each other and remain with their dam until sold. The dogs are bred to meet demand.

But if they cross one of their dogs with a poodle to make a poo cross to meet demand for people on a waiting list who want a poo cross, that automatically makes them a puppy farmer? Ok then... 🤔

tabulahrasa · 16/05/2018 12:50

“If a reputable, licensed breeder who lives on a farm, as in working farm, breeds spaniels, poodles and Labradors and has the lineage and KC papers for each of their dogs, produces health tested papers and sells their puppies as Pedigree, KC registered with parents health tested papers that's ok.”

Is it?... I wouldn’t be agreeing that it is...

Nesssie · 16/05/2018 12:51

If they are licenced they are breeding at least 3 litters a year - a popular misconception, the new DEFRA guidelines issued in 2014 say that anyone in the business of breeding and selling puppies regardless of the number of litters (ie the 3 litter test is now obsolete) should be licensed. The '3 litter' test was to distinguish between hobbyist and breeders but was found to be inadequate.

No, there isn’t... there is something wrong with throwing ethics out the window to get one. - Puppy farms exist, no one is denying that. But not every cross breed breeder is a puppy farm. Most are raised in good conditions, in a house.

Appletreecorner · 16/05/2018 12:57

Is it?... I wouldn’t be agreeing that it is...

Why Not?

fivedogstofeed · 16/05/2018 13:06

Nesssie you defend breeders on here so often I actually think you are one.

tabulahrasa · 16/05/2018 13:09

“Why Not?”

Licensed breeders are breeding for profit, which is a shitty reason for breeding dogs...

3 different breeds means at least 3 breeding bitches, but the likelihood is more than that, so how much actual human attention is each litter getting?

What are they doing with those three breeds? It seems fairly unlikely that someone has time to hunt or compete with three different working breeds (as they wouldn’t all be doing the same thing) on top of farming and breeding properly...

In theory I suppose they could be experts in 3 breeds, know which breeding bottle necks to avoid, know the health issues that are prevalent in all 3 breeds that aren’t tested for and which lines carry them, they could be working or competing with their bitches to make sure they’re fit for purpose and devoting loads of time to raising and socialising al their litters, even if they coincide... and just happen to have a licence for some reason.

But the chances of all of that are fairly slim.

Nesssie · 16/05/2018 13:12

I'm not a breeder, I work in animal welfare so I'm very much 'adopt don't shop' but I know that that is not suitable for everybody. However people come on here asking for advice on a puppy/breed that they want and all they get is 'puppy farm' 'that's not a breed' 'waste of money' etc which is not helpful.

If I can at least give them tips on how to find a responsible breeder to decrease the chance of their puppy having health/behavioural issues, then I will. Things like council licenses (as all licenses are only given after a thorough vet check and specific welfare conditions being met), being allowed to see all living areas, seeing the mum/dad, vet checks before leaving, puppy packs, age of the puppy, insurance, vaccinations etc.

If all they get is abuse/unhelpful comments/questions etc. they will just go and buy a puppy off of scumtree.

Nesssie · 16/05/2018 13:19

And I've seen places that churn out pedigree, KC registered Labradors and they are not ok.... Pedigree or Cross breed makes no difference.

fivedogstofeed · 16/05/2018 13:23

But really, this mythical farm where dozens of puppies live outside and have teams of people coming in to socialise them and play with them - who the hell believes that stuff?
And the breeder who raises puppies 'in her own home' but churns out a dozen litters a year - really?
Where I live, council licences are given every year to people who keep 300 + breeding dogs - how can that be a good environment to raise a puppy ( or keep any animal), whatever welfare standards claim to be upheld?

Whitney168 · 16/05/2018 13:27

Things like council licenses (as all licenses are only given after a thorough vet check and specific welfare conditions being met)

Blimey, if only this were actually true ...

Nesssie · 16/05/2018 13:28

fivedogstofeed - Like I said, some breeders are puppy farmers or irresponsible homebreeders, some aren't. This thread should be about helping the op distinguish between the two. Simply saying all crossbreed breeders are puppy farms isn't helpful at all.

Appletreecorner · 16/05/2018 13:29

Tabularasa

So breeders who are not licensed don't breed for profit?

Farmers deal in livestock to keep their farms running. That's their job. Most breeding dogs on working farms are kept in great conditions and their dogs work on the farm.

Licensed breeders can breed each bitch once a year. They dont have to breed any at all. Bitches have to be at least two and have their last litter at age 6. That's 4 litters in their lifetime if they 're bred once a year. Depends on demand. My sister has been on a waiting list for a spaniel for two years with a licensed breeder. Her spaniel hasn't been bred in the last two years. She won't breed her until she has a waiting list of 10.

Unlicensed breeders can do what the hell they like- as in puppy farmers who breed lots of bitches every season, who are kept in unsanitary conditions and never see the light of day. Once they are no longer able to breed they are disposed of.

Licensed breeders have to comply with rules. If you are advocating that people buy from an unlicensed breeder then you are promoting puppy farming!

tabulahrasa · 16/05/2018 13:30

“If I can at least give them tips on how to find a responsible breeder to decrease the chance of their puppy having health/behavioural issues, then I will.”

But you’re not, you’re telling people to settle for the most basic welfare standards, like not awful is the same as responsible.

Nesssie · 16/05/2018 13:32

Whitney168 - then perhaps you need to direct all this to your local councils licensing team.

Puppy farms are horrific which is why they make the news and everybody hears about them.
No one hears about the mini schnauzer home breeder down the road who doesn't have KC paper (thus stopping the puppies being used for breeding, and lowering the price) and gives lots of families a lovely pet. Is she a puppy farmer? We should be giving the op advice on how to find these breeders.

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