Maltipoo Puppy Breeder Recommendations - UK

[Catsandkids78]

Hi, I have a friend looking for a Maltipoo breeder in the UK - prepared to travel for the right puppy & must be able to see it with Mum.

Struggling to find a reputable breeder.

tabulahrasa But you’re not, you’re telling people to settle for the most basic welfare standards, like not awful is the same as responsible - Not sure how I am? I'll have to disagree on that.

The OP won't find responsible breeders of such non breeds. People who churn out cute crossbreeds are only in it for the money.
And none of them are guaranteed non shedding.

Appletreecorner and Nesssie I don't think I actually live on the same planet as you

“Licensed breeders have to comply with rules. If you are advocating that people buy from an unlicensed breeder then you are promoting puppy farming!”

Lots of puppy farms are licensed...the welfare standards aren’t that high.

I encourage people to go for the best breeders they can find, ones that are carefully breeding dogs with purpose, that have proved they can do what they’re supposed to do or proved that they meet the breed standard (including behaviourally) and are also happy healthy family pets...

The breeders that actually care about what they’re doing.

Because that is the surest way to get not just the pet you want, but that there’s no welfare issues and that all animals involved are healthy and well looked after and that there’s no more slack being picked up by rescues, because those dogs’ breeders will take them back if they’re ever needed to.

So she should resign herself to getting a pedigree wolfhound then?

Nonsense, there will be a maltipoo breeder out there, she just has to do the right checks to ensure it is coming from a responsible source.

Some people who churn out cute pedigrees are also only in it for the money. Some aren't. Same with crossbreeds.

But I agree you cannot guarantee non-shedding.

Last post on the matter as you've scared off the op anyway - really helpful

“No one hears about the mini schnauzer home breeder down the road who doesn't have KC paper (thus stopping the puppies being used for breeding, and lowering the price) and gives lots of families a lovely pet. Is she a puppy farmer? We should be giving the op advice on how to find these breeders.“

Why would I give someone advice to find a breeder that is either lying about the breed, is breeding from very closely related dogs or from a bitch too old or too young or overbreeding the bitch?...they are the only reasons a breed eligible for KC registration would be turned down for it.

(just to clarify, they meant won't sell the puppies with KC papers)

There is no good reason not to register a pedigree with KC. Lots of bad ones. Bitch bred from too often or too young or was endorsed and shouldn't be being bred from at all.
Pedigrees can also come from a puppy farm. Many do. But there are some breeders who care passionately about the breed and want to preserve the good and try and breed out the bad. They are rare but they do exist.
Want a cross? Get a rescue. I grew up with a lovely cross breed. Family researched the worst of each breed and decided if that was the luck of the draw we could cope with it.
Decent breeders don't put two random pedigree dogs together to make cute puppies and a stupid name in order to fleece potential owners.

Once again, @Wolfiefan hits it right on the head!

I bought my Golden Retriever from a domestic house with small children in, he’s KC reg, saw him with his mother
The owner of the Mum asked me lots of questions about my set up, which reassured me as well
Turns out it was all total bollocks and he was more than likely from a puppy farm.
The puppy farmers are very clever nowadays and hard to spot. I have breed experience and am generally not daft but I had no idea until later when things didn’t add up

“The puppy farmers are very clever nowadays and hard to spot”

Yep I’ve heard of people being paid to pretend to be a breeder, of houses being rented through air B and B and the like as a front...

It’s another reason why the breeder doing something with their dogs helps weed that sort of thing out, they’re traceable.

Puppy farmers are very hard to spot. Really. Very hard. They can have a stunt bitch to act as mum, hire a house and install a family to make you think it's a family pet. Forge papers. Use false names.
That goes for pedigree and cross breeds too.

Op I don't understand why she doesn't want a poodle? If she wants a poodle cross, surely she realises it's a total gamble on the genetics front when you cross two dogs. She could end up with a dog that is pretty much a poodle in looks and/or behaviour/temperament or that is nothing like a poodle in looks and/or temperament. She could also end up with a poodle cross that moults like their is no tomorrow because it takes after the other parent.

Tbh I don't think their is a way of finding a good breeder of these designer crosses (they simply don't exist). However if she is totally set on it and is just going to go out and buy a puppy farmed one if you don't find a way of getting a slightly better bred one then you should look for the following

1. Not only do you want to see pup with mother, you want to see them when they are still just about young enough for mum to be producing milk - it will help establish that this is actually mum and not just a 'stunt bitch' (used by puppy farmer's dealers as a bitch who is never bred from, but is there to look pretty and act friendly, as mum to litter).

2. Does the house seem truly doggy or just like 'stunt bitch', pups and some bedding and toys have been put there temporarily. Do pups seem even a little nervous there or full of confidence? Can the breeder put the TV on, boil a kettle, etc, so you can see pups reaction - if they have been raised in the house these things shouldn't even be something they notice.

3. how knowledgeable is the breeder on conformation, health testing, temperament, and do they know multiple generations of mum and dad lines?

4. why did they choose to breed their bitch? And why did they pick the sire they did? They should have a good answer to this - not just something like "well my bitch is really sweet and kind and my mates dog was handsome" - they should have picked for good conformation (that is compatible - not necessarily easy when crossing), good temperament, fully health tested parents, good healthy lines with good temperament too.

5. what kind of socialisation has been done? There are some good guidelines online. It should be things as simple as them walking on different surfaces, being handled, restrained briefly, brushed, bathed, taken into breeders garden, etc. I would also want to know what they will have done in the way of house-training (good breeders will have started this).

6)Are mum and dad KC registered? A) If so you want their full registered names - go onto 'my kc' (free to register) - has bitch had other (KC registered) litters - if so walk away the crossing is probably to allow them to over breed the poor bitch (maximum of 4 KC litters can be registered to a bitch, so bad people alternate KC and designer cross to get far more litters from the poor bitch). Are any health tests they say the parents have had shown on there - can help you know if the tests are real or not.
B) if mum and or dad are not KC registered - are they cross breeds themselves? If they say thet are not cross breeds but don't have KC registration, walk away - there are no good reasons for someone not to have KC registered a pedigree but plenty of bad ones that mean the animal should not be bred from.

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Also you mention a cavalier cross as one of her options - please never ever buy a cavalier cross. Cavaliers have some horrific health issues and it is incredibly difficult to find a well bred pedigree one (the necessary health tests are very expensive in this breed) and crossing them doesn't generally help their chances. Alongside health tests you need knowledge of their ancestors going back many generations to avoid some of the issues. The few in the breed good enough to be bred from simply won't be crossed.

Yes Hoppinggreen. Puppy farmers tend to sell their puppies as "home-bred" in their lovely, clean spotless home. From their much loved pet dog.

Spotless home is not going to happen with 8 puppies running around is it? You may have saw "mother" but did mother interact with her puppies? Furthermore did she have clearly milk producing teats?

Puppy dealers are certainly getting clever and getykng away with it because people are naive. I'd prefer to see puppies in their natural environment aka their outdoor kennel that they will have definitely been raised in, than some make believe story about how they have been raised in a home environment. Nobody will raise a litter of puppies in their own home - unless they have a room specifically for the dam and her puppies and it's a one off litter.

It appears that some mumsnetters think that if a breeder offers more than one litter for sale they are puppy farmers. Not true!

Case in point we have a lady (I say lady in the loosest sense of the word) who advertises puppies on various internet sites every week. Home bred, of course! Lovely pics of cute little puppies on a blanket or snuggled together in a wicker basket.

Home bred my arse! She is a puppy dealer! She takes puppies from puppy farms and sells them from her home. She pretends her own bitch is their mother. I can't believe how many puppies she sells 😠

She has been reported time and again to RSPCA and the police by many local people who despise whag she is doing. She has an advert on pets4homes currently. The verh same picture as the last 5 litters she has sold.

People need to wake up! If it doesn't feel right it's not right. Walk away!

The thing I would advise your friend to consider is how many times this mother dog (if she finds one) has been used to make money. Dog breeding is rarely responsible as it's not necessary. The pounds are proof of that, sadly.

“It appears that some mumsnetters think that if a breeder offers more than one litter for sale they are puppy farmers.”

No, it’s that the bar for a good breeder should be set higher than just, not a puppy farmer.

I live in Wales - lots of puppy farmers here 😣 Puppy farms can not be likened to working farms. Lots of working farms around here too. Working farms usually advertise puppies from working breeds.

Take a look at this from pets4homes. They state if anyone suspects they have visited a puppy farm to report them to pers4homes.

I, and I know many others, have reported several frequent advertisers of very different litters on pets4homes. They are still using their original names anx telephone numbers. They are still advertising so not banned at all 😠

Puppy farmers are getting away with it because nobody is interested. One of our local puppy farmers was arrested a few weeks ago. Guess what? She's back breeding now. Yes she has been reported.

But not everyone who has a couple of litters for sale at a time is a puppy farmer.

People need to research before they go to see a litter. If it doesn't feel right it's probably not. Just walk away.

www.pets4homes.co.uk/pet-advice/puppy-farms-how-and-why-to-avoid-buying-a-farmed-puppy.html

I would steer anyone away from pets 4 homes. They advertise for puppy farmers and don't care.
Nobody who is giving all the care and attention a dog needs has time for two litters at once.

Nobody who is giving all the care and attention a dog needs has time for two litters at once.

Rubbish! So you are another mumsnetter who thinks anyone- other than the lovely lady who rears one litter from her beloved pet - is a puppy farmer?

How many litters have you actually seen?

No. But decent breeders don't aim to have two litters at the same time. It suggests multiple breeding bitches. Not ideal.
And the lovely lady? A backyard breeder who probably doesn't know or couldn't care about health testing (hips, eyes etc) before breeding or how to choose the ideal mate.

And the lovely lady? A backyard breeder who probably doesn't know or couldn't care about health testing (hips, eyes etc) before breeding or how to choose the ideal mate.

Exactly! So anyone who breeds two litters from two separate bitches at once is a no no.. so is the lady who claims she has 'allowed' her beloved pet to have one litter.

What do you regard as a reputable, knowledgeable breeder? What sort of set up do you advise OP to look for when looking to buy her maltipoo?

There are some fantastic maltipoo/cavapoo/cockapoo and any other poo you can think of. All claiming their puppies are reared in a home environment. All bullshit!!

A responsible breeder does not need to advertise. Most working farmers raise more than one litter at a time. They breed as per demand. Others advertise because yes some fool has heard, in the pub, that his bitch should have one litter before spaying. And so he breeds her with no fucking idea what he's going to do with the puppies! So thinks advertising on scumtree is a great idea.

By you refuting any breeder you are making all breeders sound like puppy farmers. There are lots of puppy farms. But not all breeders are puppy farmers.

It's down to the individual to look at several litters and decide which seems the right breeder. Most will be duped as puppy farmers are the lowest of the low and will go out of their way to look 'honest, caring and reputable'.

If people keep buying puppies without seeing the mother or where the puppies were reared they only have themselves to blame when the puppy they paid big money for turns out to not be the breed or cross breed they wanted.

It's only when people walk away from puppy farms will they cease trading. That will take a long time. Puppy farmers won't care that they are left with puppies. They will dispose of them....

But it is not helpful for you to keep bleating on that all breeders are puppy farmers. People have to research and look before they decide to buy a puppy.

I never said all breeders were puppy farmers. I did say all breeders breeding odd "designer" crosses for money are disreputable.
Rescue.
Or pedigree/working dog. If pedigree go through the breed club. Visit breeder and go prepared to walk away or be turned down. Be prepared to wait.

Wolfie every thread about cross breeds you have yelled 'Puppy farm'....Whatever the scenario.

What advice would you give to anyone who wishes to buy a cross breed Puppy? Bearing in mind a cross breed will have two parents that may or may be not registered with a breed club? The very breed club who some people see as reputable ...because they advertise their KC registered dogs through a breed club.

What exactly is your problem with someone wanting to buy a cross breed? What about mongrels? Should nobody take them on? What about the hundreds of thousands different breed dogs,in rescue centres, waiting for a chance to be rehomed?

Should everyone turn and walk away because they haven't come from a 'breed registered' source??

All I ask is that anyone wishing to buy a puppy do their homework. There are puppy farmers and there are reputable breeders out there.

I have the advantage of growing up knowing the difference between puppy farmers and reputable breeders. I live amongst them. Someone who lives within inner cities rely on adverts. Any breeder who has to make fantastic website adverts, to sell their puppies, should be avoided.

If you look at those adverts most will say their puppies are reared within their homes but don't welcome visitors - with the excuse because they don't want their puppies to be subjected to germs.....

In other words... the puppies will be available at a time arranged as I will pick them up about half an hour before you call....

If you bought your dog from a private home chances are you bought from a puppy farmer.

I'm not yelling.
You seem to not have a basic understanding of how breeding should work. My breeder chose to have a litter of puppies as she wanted to have a new generation and have her lines carry on. She wanted a puppy herself. She didn't need to advertise. People in the breed know her and the parents of the pup and were queuing up to get one. I was lucky to be considered.
Or there are people who breed because they want a pup to do a job. Gundog or a flyball enthusiast.
Those who breed for money are a disgrace.

If you bought your dog from a private home chances are you bought from a puppy farmer.

Utter bollocks! Just in the last month i’ve had two friends purchase pedigree puppies from Assured breeders with fantastic websites, bred in homes. Both prospective owners had to wait for a litter, visited their breeders and viewed puppies with mum at around 4 weeks and were matched with their puppies at 8 weeks. Completely home bred, with great websites, multiple visits and interactions and complete transparency.

One of those friends originally viewed crossbred puppies born to a bitch houses in an outhouse at a local authority registered breeder. Obvious puppy farmer though it sounds like Apple would approve, and it seems you can’t think why if you had a good quality healthy example of a breed you’d be mating it to a different breed rather than producing premium healthy pedigrees. The answer for the hard of thinking is that crossbreeds tend to originate from parents who are not good examples of their breed, but just good enough to mass-produce cute puppies.

Apple you seem to know very little about puppy farming or about reputable breeding and are unable to even separate out rehoming from rescue, trendy crossbreeds vs mongrels, and responsible puppy purchasing issues