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Maltipoo Puppy Breeder Recommendations - UK

193 replies

Catsandkids78 · 15/05/2018 16:07

Hi, I have a friend looking for a Maltipoo breeder in the UK - prepared to travel for the right puppy & must be able to see it with Mum.

Struggling to find a reputable breeder.

OP posts:
Fatball · 03/06/2018 10:34

I think crossbreeds are half ‘n’ half aren’t they? So one purebred parent of two different breeds.

But any offspring of crossbreeds would be a mongrel even if technically there were still only two breeds involved.

Fatball · 03/06/2018 10:36

So what do people think of the crossing of two different breeds if both parents have had all the health tests that we expect a breeder of purebred puppies to do?

fivedogstofeed · 03/06/2018 11:08

I'd think they are doing it for money fatball. Even more money.

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 03/06/2018 11:14

@Wolfie That's why I put it in inverted commas. I think it's pretty despicable behaviour, but from what I was told it was someone who would have passed all the tests recommended for someone looking for a puppy.

ICantCopeAnymore · 03/06/2018 11:14

There's no other purpose to do that other than for money.

tabulahrasa · 03/06/2018 11:18

“So what do people think of the crossing of two different breeds if both parents have had all the health tests that we expect a breeder of purebred puppies to do?”

It’s better than nothing, but...There’s a few issues that still doesn’t resolve.

Firstly with a good breeder of pedigrees, they know the breed, the lines and the conformation if that breed well enough that they aren’t using dogs with other health issues that aren’t tested for, like skin allergies or digestive issues - that’s less likely with two breeds. And that their physical traits complement or improve on what you have, so you’re not creating an issue like luxating patella which is essentially a confirmation issue.

You’ve also got the issue of what it is that people want from a pet that making its behavioural traits less predictable solves, because that’s what crossing breeds does...

Take lurchers, I’m originally from the middle of nowhere, where people do breed lurchers to “work”

So they’re mostly greyhound, sometimes with some deerhound in there and every few generations they add in something bully for stamina and some collie for intelligence, they’re breeding with purpose, they know exactly what they want and have lots of experience at it... and what you get is the odd puppy that came out how they wanted and a whole load that will never be capable of the job they wanted them for.

So if they with generations of experience, tried and tested methods and knowing exactly what traits they’re hoping to get can’t predict it, what is it maltipoos or other random cross breeders are thinking they’re going to manage to get... and how is an unpredictable cross better than the original breed?

There’s also the ethics of it, of using your dog to make money, pregnancy, birth and raising a litter takes a huge toll on a bitch and to do that to them for profit I don’t think is ok (I appreciate that other people aren’t as bothered by that, if everything else is done ok, but I don’t think money is the right reason to be breeding)

So in general, I don’t thinking deliberate crosses aimed at the pet market are a good thing.

The best chance you have of buying a pet dog that will suit your home and lifestyle and that you’re not also giving your money to someone exploiting dogs is either to buy a puppy from a breeder who is doing it all right and for the right reasons, or an adult rescue dog.

Anything else is a gamble, how much of one depends on where the dog has actually been acquired from, but still a gamble.

BiteyShark · 03/06/2018 11:45

Personally I think crossbreeds are here to stay. No matter how much people stamp their feet and say how awful they are etc etc it is clear they are liked by a lot of the public and no matter what anyone on here thinks people are more likely to view their temperament via dogs they know rather than a random person venting on a forum.

I honestly think like most businesses only legislation that that be easily monitored and prosecuted if not adhered to is the only way to increase animal welfare. After all, most people objecting on here are objecting to home breeders that don't show/work their dogs rather than the 'puppy farms' that joe public think of where the dogs are 'abused'.

fivedogstofeed · 03/06/2018 11:51

This thread could go on forever.
Bottom line is, there will always be people who want Cute Puppy in Vogue This Year. As long as these people choose to ignore where the pup has come from then there will always be others willing to exploit this for money.
If anyone has lasted this long on this thread and really, really doesn't know where these cute puppies come from then please educate yourself: https://cariadcampaign.wordpress.com . And stop kidding yourselves you are buying a lovely family bred puppy when you're not.

tabulahrasa · 03/06/2018 12:12

“No matter how much people stamp their feet and say how awful they are etc etc it is clear they are liked by a lot of the public”

The thing is, it’s not about not liking them, I like dogs, I can see why when people see nice little fluffy dogs about they want one (not me, I couldn’t be doing with looking after the fluff) but, because I like dogs I care when there’s a huge issue affecting welfare and that people might get one and it’s not actually what they wanted.

But it’s nothing to do with disliking actual dogs. I mean two I’ve owned were complete mongrels, with no clue what breeds were in there.

They were still great dogs, most dogs are...

BiteyShark · 03/06/2018 12:21

The problem is these threads get very personal. Saying people are awful/stupid/contributing to abuse etc for buying online just puts people off any valid message about welfare and is counter productive.

Lumping puppy farms with home breeders just breeding their bitch is confusing as most people I know do not view that as a puppy farm. They view puppy farms as those that keep bitches in sheds in poor health and sanitary conditions so lumping in mrs Jones from down the road will question whether anything that is said is correct.

Good legislation and people actively monitoring all breeders so they have to conform to standards with fines and penalties that put people off doing the wrong thing. Transparency on the number of litters of non pedigree breeds and traceability back to parents I think is the way to increase welfare for puppies across the board.

fivedogstofeed · 03/06/2018 12:25

But Bitey 'Mrs Jones down the road' should not be breeding her dog either. OK maybe the conditions are better, but she knows nothing about breeding, nothing about health issues, has picked a random convenient stud dog and is using the proceeds to pay for her holidays. She is also contributing to the problem I'm afraid.

fivedogstofeed · 03/06/2018 12:26

.. and the problem that Mrs Jones is contributing to is overpopulation of dogs, and breeding with no care and attention to health and temperament for the dogs that are bred.

BiteyShark · 03/06/2018 12:30

fivedogstofeed the problem is that a lot of people don't agree with you which is why they are happy to buy off someone like that. After all if it is was wrong it would be illegal and mrs Jones would be facing prosecution. Just because you don't think it's right doesn't make it wrong. This is why I don't see anything good coming from threads like this. It just tends to get personal between opposing views. It becomes a competitive 'my puppy is better than yours'.

And for transparency I bought of a mrs Jones who did do dna checks on her pedigree dogs. Doesn't comply to the standard 'some' people set but I have no issues with who I bought from.

fivedogstofeed · 03/06/2018 12:30

And yes, Mrs Jones down the road may or may not be a front for a puppy farm, that's where people get confused but whichever it is people need to stop buying her puppies.!

fivedogstofeed · 03/06/2018 12:39

I disagree unfortunately as many things that are wrong are not illegal...
Despite what many believe, industrial scale puppy farming is not illegal.

And yes, I know people are happy to buy off Mrs Jones and fund her holidays, but I feel strongly that this shouldn't be the case and it's not something I would ever do.

I'm not trying to make any of this personal btw, but I have personally collected 19 unwanted pups in the last month. All of them came from naice family homes who had allowed their dogs to breed. Personally I am sick to death of people breeding dogs when there are already too many.

tabulahrasa · 03/06/2018 12:39

There’s a mrs Jones down the road from me, well not an actual mrs Jones that would be a bit weird, lol

She breeds a large breed dog, she owns one male and one female, they’re well looked after, hip scored as the breed requires... didn’t breed till they were old enough, doesn’t breed back to back.

Her last litter was 5 puppies - I’m sure 2 of those owners also have no issue with who they bought their puppy from.

The other 3 have dogs with varying degrees of pain and 2 of them have had to put their dogs through surgery and have huge vet bills. Because they have dodgy knees in a breed that doesn’t usually have knee problems purely down to the fact that mrs Jones doesn’t actually know what she’s doing and is breeding 2 dogs together who both have slightly wrong back legs.

Shutityoutart · 03/06/2018 12:45

There’s a woman on my local fb page selling pups. Their mother is a cavapoo, their dad a poochon . She’s had 8 pups, and this is her second litter. They are being sold for £850!!!!
Madness and stupidity all in one.

SpanielsAreNuts · 03/06/2018 16:30

After all if it is was wrong it would be illegal and mrs Jones would be facing prosecution.

So you are happy with industrial scale puppy farming in what most would say was poor conditions for any dog to live in? Because puppy farms are perfectly legal and the very low level of the standards required is shocking to pretty much anyone who actually cares about dogs.

BiteyShark · 03/06/2018 16:35

Of course I am not happy with puppy farms and anyone keeping a dog in appealing conditions. But I don't think home breeders and people who buy from them deserve to be called selfish idiots. I also don't think it's right that these threads get personal.

If you read my posts I am advocating better legislation to improve breeding conditions and traceability for ALL puppies. What I don't agree with is the elitist comments that only those people that buy from 'show breeders' have healthy happy dogs.

BiteyShark · 03/06/2018 16:36

Appealing = appalling

Wolfiefan · 03/06/2018 16:40

Home breeders tend to breed two lets together without health tests or knowledge of genetics etc. it's far from ideal.
If you want a pedigree the best route is through the breed club or society. And yes they will have breeders who show. Decent breeders and decent "show" people want healthy dogs who are the best of their breed. Not all those need to be shown and some wont be show quality. But they should have good natures, great confirmation and be the healthiest possible pups. Isn't that the ideal?

Oddcat · 03/06/2018 16:42

Why do reputable breeders have puppies to sell then , if not to make money? I am 100% against puppy farms btw.

Wolfiefan · 03/06/2018 16:47

Our breeder only breeds when she wants the next generation. She can't keep all the pups though.
Once she has paid for all the tests prior to pregnancy, the vaccinations and tests on pups, worming etc, food and puppy packs. Micro chipping etc etc. there's not a massive amount of profit. In our case mum had a C section and spay. More money. And then the breeder was 24/7 caring for all the pups. It's not something I would do!

BiteyShark · 03/06/2018 16:49

Actually no it's isn't the ideal. In your opinion and some others on this thread it's 'your ideal'. It doesn't mean others agree but equally it doesn't mean that they advocate puppy farms and dog abuse.

Mine is a working dog so doesn't follow the show standards. Home breeders can advocate healthy puppies as they have access to dna tests just like show breeders.

Getting a puppy from someone who doesn't advertise and follows all your 'standards' doesn't equal healthy dogs as generic variations and environmental factors come into play.

Wolfiefan · 03/06/2018 16:55

But decent breeders know the genetics of the dogs.
Home breeders often don't know, care or do the requisite testing.
I don't understand your first paragraph at all. Sorry.

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