Maltipoo Puppy Breeder Recommendations - UK

[Catsandkids78]

Hi, I have a friend looking for a Maltipoo breeder in the UK - prepared to travel for the right puppy & must be able to see it with Mum.

Struggling to find a reputable breeder.

If you bought your dog from a private home chances are you bought from a puppy farmer.

My puppy was from a home breeder. Mum was obviously feeding the puppies as we visited at 3 weeks. I had the papers from both mum and dad to certify clear of two hereditary diseases. A contract that I could return the puppy for full refund if a condition found by my vet within a certain timeframe. And I could visit any time.

Now the breeder didn't show so yes I guess she was breeding for money. But things cost and therefore I have no issue parting cash to my breeder.

I almost bought from a farmer who bred to keep two of the litters to work on the farm. Technically that would be 'better' for some people as a valid reason but there was no dna testing, contract etc so its swings and roundabouts.

The issue is that you cannot force your own criteria on others as they may not agree which is why people are happy to buy crossbreeds etc.

Reputable breeders rarely make money, certainly not enough to make it worthwhile to most people. They do it for love of the breed and a desire to improve the standard. It should not be considered a salary.

I'm not yelling.
You seem to not have a basic understanding of how breeding should work

🤣🤣🤣 Ok you're right. I'm wrong.... I'm sure you needed your sole puppy to be KC registered because you intend to show him. Right?

Most reputable breeders breed because they want a puppy to carry on the work they are meant to do when their dogs are getting on. I'm sure your puppy has made the breeder proud. Where did you buy your first and only puppy from again?

Nice to see that you’ve totally avoided responding to those of us pointing out the flaws in your ‘logic’ Apple - here’s another one:

Most reputable breeders breed because they want a puppy to carry on the work they are meant to do when their dogs are getting on.

So ‘reputable’ breedersbreed 4-8 pups to replace one dog? How do they home and assure homes and ongoing health of the other pups not selected for work? What jobs are crossbreeds like malti-poos (the subject of this thread and the breeding of which you're determined to defend) actually do??

I don't understand your point. My pup is KC reg because she's a pedigree. There is no good reason not to register a pedigree. We have gone to some shows. But she's a pet.
She came from someone who bred three litters in 30 years. Because she wants to continue the line. Someone who is heavily involved in welfare and rescue within the breed. Someone I trust and consider a friend now. Someone we still see and will stay in touch with. Someone my girl runs to every time she sees her. Someone who advises and supports. Someone who had me homechecked and interviewed me and took references. A really good breeder.

Mumsnet can be really ridiculous sometimes.

No good reason not to KC register?
The Kennel club have many faults.

I have a working breed and I could cry at seeing how the kennel club have ruined do many beautiful working breeds.
Look at a KC Labrador, a KC cocker spaniel and a KC basset hound.
Then compare them to the working bred, they look like a totally different breed!

Many of the standards actively encourage Ill health, take a look at the British bulldog and the BOAS syndrome that accompanies, what about the excessively long back of the dachshund and associated disc issues, the KC German Shepherd is a joke compared to the original do it all dog.

There are breeders who no longer register with the KC due to their policies which are not always in the best interest of the dog.

A home breeder is not a guarantee of a poor breeder.

Many KC registered health tested pedigree with papers breeders are guilty of less than perfect practise also.
Dogs kept in kennels and brought in for show when the buyers arrive anyone...
Or dogs with known health or temperament problems being bred from because they have great show winning conformation..

I'm surprised anyone asks for puppy advice here, unless it's a posh purebred pedigree with KC papers that you had to wait 3 years to get that isn't advertised anywhere and always show bred never working because they just don't make good pets it's a puppy farmer!

KC reg doesn't mean it's a healthy puppy from a good breeder.
A non KC reg pedigree is likely bred from a dog too young, has endorsements and so shouldn't be bred from at all, a bitch bred from to excess etc etc.
it's not breeders who disagree with the KC and are making some kind of political statement. That's ridiculous.
I also said to rescue or look at working dogs bred for purpose. It's buyer beware.
The sad fact is that most puppies bought in the UK are puppy farmed.

So ‘reputable’ breedersbreed 4-8 pups to replace one dog? How do they home and assure homes and ongoing health of the other pups not selected for work? What jobs are crossbreeds like malti-poos (the subject of this thread and the breeding of which you're determined to defend) actually do??

I simply pointed out that not all breeders who breed more than one litter are puppy farmers. Working farmers breed because they need dogs to carry on working the farm. What is your point? Furthermore what advice can you give to OP who is looking for a maltipoo?

It seems all the puppy farms are breeding brachyciardic breeds around here. I have no advice about where OP can get a maltipoo from a trusted breeder. I'm sure you can - with all your worldly knowledge. Go ahead.... I'm sure OP will be most grateful for your advice....

Vetirinari did you choose your username to make people think you are a vet? You are obviously not! Give it up FFS!

KC reg doesn't mean it's a healthy puppy from a good breeder.
A non KC reg pedigree is likely bred from a dog too young, has endorsements and so shouldn't be bred from at all, a bitch bred from to excess etc etc.
it's not breeders who disagree with the KC and are making some kind of political statement. That's ridiculous.
I also said to rescue or look at working dogs bred for purpose. It's buyer beware.
The sad fact is that most puppies bought in the UK are puppy farmed.

Your point is? All I have gleaned from your posts is any breeder is a puppy farmer.... Regardless of the situation. I'm sure the breeder you bought your puppy from, as a first time dog owner last year, is the absolute cream of puppy breeders.... Yes?

How do you know you didn't buy from a puppy farmer? Your posts indicate that you probably did. After all it's hard to recognise a puppy farmer right? Most people are duped by them.. You included.

I really hate threads like this. "Your friend" is contributing to animal abuse, op. I really hope you're a troll.

Moral of this thread : Just adopt already.

I am going to get my new puppy from the breeder next week. The breeder breeds at least three bitches and three dogs. It looks like all together they have four litters per year and she ships them all over the U.S. The pups are born in the house and stay in there until they go home at 8 weeks. I can see from the pictures they are in a large room with their own little pens at night, lots of toys, puppy size agility apparatus set up and door flaps for the puppies to go outside. House breaking is well under way.

I’ve been watching this breeder's web site for a few years and took the plunge with this latest litter. I picked out the one I wanted when she was a month old. On the web site the breeder is posting pictures of the pups on a regular bases including their adventures to the vets for their various health checks ups.

In this day and age there is no excuse not to let people see on-line how the puppies are being raised. This breeder has videos of the adult dogs working and I’m confident it’s all on the up and up. I can’t wait to pick her up next week.

“The issue is that you cannot force your own criteria on others as they may not agree which is why people are happy to buy crossbreeds etc.“

No you can’t, but you can tell them what the issue is so at least they’re not going into it blind.

So they know firstly about the best way to avoid puppy farming, but also so they know what a good breeder is because it’s not a dichotomy - it’s not puppy farmers and everything else is ok.

The two breeders you’ve used for instance, the home breeder with health tests - there’s every chance they’ve done the tests recommended for the breed, but you then gamble that they also know enough (and care enough) to have paid attention to other health issues and conformation, so they’re not passing on other problems or creating ones that aren’t known to be common - so not including lines with say skin or food allergies, not putting together two dogs with not so amazing back legs and getting puppies more prone to cruciate problems.

With the farmer, yes those dogs are likely to be healthy in terms of being able to work, but without health testing they could be carrying the gene for say PRA

Now I’m sure you’ve had 2 healthy happy dogs - I’m only using your examples because you posted them...

But if you’d posted that you had a choice between those two examples, I’d have told you to keep looking for better, because at that point, before it’s been bought, you want the best chance of a healthy puppy.

It is of course then up to you what you’d do with that infirmation, but I’d still rather you had it if you were looking for a puppy even if it pisses other people off to hear it.

Three or four litters a year? From the same three bitches? With the same dog as sure? Walk away! This is a business and not a good breeder.
Tabula unfortunately too many people don't care. The information is out there and anyone asking can find it (not easily but you can). People like apple don't listen. Not all breeders are puppy farmers. Despite your rude assertion mine isn't. But I spent over two years searching and researching and make contacts and asking questions. I didn't do what too many people do which is a quick Google search and buy the closest puppy available in the quickest time.
People need to do their research. Be prepared to wait or rescue. Have higher standards than just finding any puppy and bugger the welfare concerns.

tabulahrasa I did my research on health etc for puppies. But my criteria is not as strict as some people on here as you could do everything you say and still the puppy ends up being unhealthy with a million different things as that's life. My criteria is stricter than a lot of people's as I know many dog owners who didn't even bother looking for any dna tests as they are happy to take that risk.

Given the popularity of cross breed and pedigree puppies with just the basic vet check I think the majority of dog owners don't feel that they should only buy from show breeders who may only produce one or two litters in their lifetime.

Now I totally agree with you for people having all the information which they can choose to ignore or follow but these threads do seem to be very poliarised and I tend to think it could put people off even looking at the information in the first place.

I feel that if people feel so passionately about welfare they would be better pushing that through as part of a breeding licence which is better policed than trying to call someone out as being wrong because they don't follow these so called 'rules' of not buying from a home breeder.

I simply pointed out that not all breeders who breed more than one litter are puppy farmers. Working farmers breed because they need dogs to carry on working the farm. What is your point? Furthermore what advice can you give to OP who is looking for a maltipoo?

I don’t think anyone has claimed that producing more than one litter makes you a puppy farmer. However my questions still stand. Of course farmers breed to carry on a working line but they can also be responsible for the production of is lot of temperamentally unsuitable, poorly socialised dogs with no health checks that enter the pet market. It’s not exactly always responsible. Yes there are many ways of breeding dogs. Being realistic about the pitfalls is sensible. In the OP’s case however i’m Not sure that your ‘wisdom’ on working dogs is especially relevant.

My advice, with all my ‘worldly knowledge’ is not to buy a designer crossbreed that will have been bred for nothing but commercial gain and is more likely to have health and temperament issues. Buy from a responsible assured breeder, or rehome from a reputable rescue.

Vetirinari did you choose your username to make people think you are a vet? You are obviously not! Give it up FFS!

Interesting. What makes you say that? You seem to know very little indeed and yet have absolute confidence in that ignorance! It must be an interesting way to live.

Charolais I woukdn’t Touch that breeder with a barge pole. Anyone that ships an 8 week old puppy like an amazon package is not responsible. How do the new owners get to interact with the puppy’s parents and evaluate their temperament? How does she meet them and determine if they're responsible as owners for the rest of this pup’s life.

Plus being isolated and shipped at a critical development phase will be hugeley stressful and at this critical period can have lifelong impacts on dog development.

It sounds like a commercial mail order puppy business

I am at a loss to understand a lot of these comments it seems no one should breed or buy a dog in a nation of dog lovers. Yes there are too many Puppy Farms and it's awful, despicable in fact but there are also a lot of breeders following the rules but are doing it to make money. Particularly show grade dog breeders. They are not in it for the love of the dog they make £7000 per litter at least they have several Dams who only have 3 litters (one per year) and are retired and given to a good home when done. When they win crufts or another show they can charge even more for pups or stud. They love the dogs and the breed but the dogs are not pets they are a business. According to this thread don't buy from them either. Don't buy from home breeders don't buy from farm breeders of working dogs. Basically don't get a puppy.

We all agree puppy farming is bad but not all breeders are bad even if they are doing it as a business or have had an "accident".

Nobody has said don’t get a puppy geek

But it’s worth being realistic about the impact of your choices. If your supporting commercial breeders who are primarily profit focussed, inevitably there will be the temptation to cut corners in terms of health and welfare. Similarly if those breeders are homing three litters a year, how much investment are they putting into assuring their puppies will be homes for life? Will they take them back if the new owners are unable to keep them? And are you comfortable with the ethics of a breeding bitch being discarded/rehomed once she’s had her 3 KC registered litters. I guess if you’r ethically comfortable with supporting those practices then that’s your choice. Personally I’d rather source a pup from a responsible breeder or an ethical rescue. It’s not like commercial backyard breeders or puppy farms are the only option.

I am still here and not a troll.

I have rescues myself and KC reg from a working stock breeder oddly .

My friend wants this type of dog , I’m encouraging her to look at Mini Poodles too from the advice here . Those who mentioned they have encountered reputable breeders please dm me details .

Interesting advice and debate .

I grew up in the breeding/showing circuit in the 80s and early 90s. It’s not a business. We bedded down with the dogs (BIG dogs) in the back of a transit van and drove all over the country to shows. We had great fun, and it was clear to see that my mum was immensely proud of her dogs. They were much loved pets too. She did breed dogs, but didn’t make enough to replace that old transit van, and she already had buyers lined up before the pups were even conceived. There were occasions when sales fell through, people waited so long then their health deteriorated or they lost their job. We took the pups back. Never in a million years would they have been dumped on a rescue.

Seeing pages and pages of ads on Gumtree and Preloved is the most depressing thing. Personally, unless you’ve been put on a waiting list and waited a few months at least, you’re not necessarily dealing with a reputable breeder. Pups should not be bred without demand from knowledgeable people.

OP please contact the breed club. Don't take advice online from people who said they have a "lovely puppy from a lovely lady". They may well have fallen for a scam or puppy farm.
Geek. The mother of our girl had one litter. It was a large litter and they decided to spay her to ensure she never had any more pups. She is still with the breeder because she's their girl and they love her. I would hate to think of a dog having multiple litters before being dumped in a potentially unsuitable home.
Really good breeders don't make a business out of it. Tests before breeding, searching out the right sire, healthcare for mum and puppies. Testing of pups (wolfhounds need liver shunt tests). Possibly having to keep and operate on a liver shunt puppy. C section? Food and chipping and worming and vaccinating. I would need thousands of pounds in case of emergencies and to cover costs.

Charolais I woukdn’t Touch that breeder with a barge pole. Anyone that ships an 8 week old puppy like an amazon package is not responsible. How do the new owners get to interact with the puppy’s parents and evaluate their temperament? How does she meet them and determine if they're responsible as owners for the rest of this pup’s life

Plus being isolated and shipped at a critical development phase will be hugeley stressful and at this critical period can have lifelong impacts on dog development

It sounds like a commercial mail order puppy business

The Untied States is a huge country. Coast to coast it is 3,000 miles and 5,000 miles from Alaska to Florida. This breeder lives slap-dab in the middle of nowhere on a massive ranch. She cannot demand all prospective buyers travel thousands of miles to just to be evaluated by her.

Here all the big breeders ship. The are flown in a passenger plane and it costs a great deal of money. Did you think they were stuffed in a box and shipped UPS or FEDX?

This country is so vast I have to travel 100 miles round trip to get my groceries. My doctor is 80 miles away. This breeder is 200 miles from me and I consider her local so we will drive to get our pup.

Every day of these puppies lives is documented/photographed - from birth. I've watched videos of the adult dogs in training, doing agility and learning to herd. I know which of the litter was the first one to brave enough to crawl up the puppy slide. Mine was the second after she watched her brother do it. I’ve seen how the puppies travelled 200 miles together to get their eyes checked. Next week they will travel even further to get their full check up before going to their homes.

Things are done differently here because of the size of the country, for instance; I bought my best horse ever by seeing him as a two year old colt on a video which was mailed to me. (This was in the 1980’s - no internet). I had to study his interaction with people and other horses on film. btw the video started when he was sitting down in the middle of 5,000 acres with his herd and the breeder walked up to him and gently sat on his back. He never even got up he was that calm. He remained that way, calm, all his life. Bless his heart, he’s buried under the apple tree in the garden now.

Just because things are done differently than you are used to it doesn’t mean it is bad. The breeder is fantastic and has a reputation to protect. I hope she makes a profit on these puppies, after all she has given up a great deal of her house for them - not to mention the time spent driving them for check ups etc.

I’d rather buy from a person who is a serious breeder, knows the breed, knows her dogs, than a hobby breeder or try to find the specialized breed I need/want in a shelter.

It's not uncommon to ship puppies and I know people who have done it.
Four litters a year from the same three bitches and the same dogs? I would run a mile. This is not an ethical breeder.