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who! part two! new years day twenty to seven! are we ready!?

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persephonesnape · 30/12/2009 18:29

thought a new thread would be apt - it is, after all a two parter...

are you ready? I don't think I am. I think I might cry - especially after the scene with wilf in the cafe and the added poignancy (sp?) of to be or not to be on boxing day.

do we have theories? or are we just content that the world is populated by John Simm giggling look a likes (especially as we are all, obviously, at least 1/2 timelord and therefore unchanged.)

countdoooooooown!

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oxocube · 02/01/2010 08:49

'Gallifrey' - just googled

CommonNortherner · 02/01/2010 08:55

Self-indulgent wank by the end... which has actually made me feel better because by the time he had regenerated I was like, "Thank FUCK!" Whiny bastard, it's not like he was actually for real going to DIE, couldn't he have taken it like a man like Ecclestone did!! And how did he survive that fall?? Didn't a much smaller fall do for one of the previous Doctors?!?

And wtf is with the baby Adipose in a bar?!? They're BABIES, they have NANNIES!!! Was it a case of oh we killed your nanny, why don't you all go and live it up in a BAR!!

And Martha and Mickey?!?! WTF?? I always hate it when intelligent women get stuck onto the nearest plot point penis whether they are suited for each other or not.

John Simm was magnificent though... I cried when he went Emperor on the Time Lords telling them they'd done this to him... that was moving! Not a tour of past series, including almost every alien ever in that freakin BAR.

Hmmm.... thought I'd got all this out to my sis, then mum, then hubs. Apparently I'm still having Issues Coming To Terms with it all! It could've been GLORIOUS!! And now I am FAN PISSED OFF

The needs of the Wilfred Mott outweigh the needs of the few or the one!!

CommonNortherner · 02/01/2010 08:56
CommonNortherner · 02/01/2010 09:00

I boycotted watching Confidential last night... pmsl! Will have to catch up with it today!

And Matt Smith does too have eyebrows... they're just made of flesh!

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RustyBear · 02/01/2010 09:47

So what's wrong with a self-indulgent wank, then? Especially on the company of DT?
The Ninth Doctor may have 'taken it like a man' but it wasn't quite the same - he didn't have the foreknowledge that Ten did - he may have suspected, but he didn't actually know that taking the Time Vortex out of Rose would kill him and by the time he did know it was too late & there wouldn't really have been much point in protesting about it! And then he was a completely different personality, which is the whole point really - it was emphasising that it really is like dying for the current Doctor. I don't see why he shouln't really like his current persona & not want to change - after all if regeneration was no big deal he would presumably just have done it as normal when hit by the Dalek rather than using the hand so he could stay the same. And you knew- and Ten knew- that he was always going to save Wilf anyway, nothing wrong with having a bit of a rant about it (AIBU to not want to save this old pensioner.... )

DD made the same point as you about the fall. Tom Baker fell from a radio telescope; the Lovell telescope at Jodrell Bank is almost 300 feet at it's highest point -I'm not sure how high the spaceship was flying but it looked pretty low when it was over the fields. Maybe that 'weediness' was an advantage on the same principle that a small animal will survive a fall that a larger one can't! The Fourth Doctor was a pretty heavily built guy after all.

As for the Adipose babies - they were destined for adoptive families - maybe one of them owned a bar in a place that doesn't have licensing laws about children in bars!

I agree with you about Martha and Mickey, though as winters said, maybe they are setting up Torchwood! I did actually wonder whether Martha really was engaged to Tom Milligan or whether she borrowed the ring to convince the Doctor she was over him...

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RustyBear · 02/01/2010 09:55

LeonidElf - after the Third Doctor's encounter with the Giant Spiders, he was missing for three weeks before coming back to UNIT HQ and starting the regeneration process, and we have no idea what he might have been doing in that time - and that death was caused by radiation poisoning too, which wouldn't necessarily be instant even in a human. With other regenerations presumably there wasn't enough time for the Doctor to go off visiting...

MrsSaxon · 02/01/2010 10:05

Well I loved it, sobbed like a baby!

Bernard Cribbins was amazing from start to finish.

And special mention to Marthas hair, which was superb.

I am really looking forward to the next series and actually do have a slight crush on Matt already.

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RustyBear · 02/01/2010 10:09

Actually, as someone who has been watching DW since 1963, I feel that the classic series would have been all the better for the occasional bit of self indulgent emotionally sledgehammery wanky bollocks.
It would be better than, say, the way Leela left when she suddenly grabbed Andred's hand & announced she was going to marry him, with absolutely no romantic prelude at all. Or, as Sarah-Jane pointed out, the way she was dumped when the Fourth Doctor buggered off to Gallifrey.
Actually one of my favourite bits from the classic series is when Jo announced to the Third Doctor that she was marrying Cliff (a much more believable romance than Leela's) and he did actually show emotion at the thought of losing her...

nymphadora · 02/01/2010 10:13

I can't see mickey & martha in torchwood as much as I would love to. I think Noel Clark would be too expensive for their budget now

RustyBear · 02/01/2010 10:13

Well, as I said, we don't really know what Three did between getting back in the Tardis and arriving back in his lab at UNIT HQ. Could have been anything really...

nymphadora · 02/01/2010 10:14

Though he was writing for them....

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RustyBear · 02/01/2010 10:32

Actually, LeonidElf, DD (who is almost 20) agrees with you on preferring the Classic series and for the same reason - she really hates all the kissing, claiming 'The Doctor doesn't do that!'
Though of course the kissing wasn't actually first introduced in the new series by RTD, it was Matthew Jacobs who first did that in the 1996 film.

RustyBear · 02/01/2010 10:36

Nymphadora - there have been rumours that the next series of Torchwood might be made in the US, or with US involvement, which might mean a bigger budget? Only rumours, though, like everything connected with Torchwood is at the moment...

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Kaloki · 02/01/2010 10:46

I'm looking forward to the new doctor, and the lack of RTD!

SlartyBartFast · 02/01/2010 10:59

read that the woman was the doctors mother.

skimmed through last few posts btw, in case it has already been mentioned.

and that Alsonso, him from Being Human, was put forward as a possible dr who

RustyBear · 02/01/2010 11:20

Well, he left because he couldn't be satisfied with just watching what went on, he wanted to get involved. The close contact with other species, which the other Time Lords never had, could well have led to him becoming less emotionally sterile - or it could be that he had a more emotional side all along which was a major factor in his leaving.

I think his character has changed since leaving Gallifrey, not just because of regeneration, but because of his close contact with his human companions - in an early episode the Doctor was actually willing to kill a wounded man to ensure his escape - something that would be unthinkable now.

(btw, I am not claiming some kind of omniscience just because I happened to see the first series live; all it actually does is prove how ancient I am... )

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RustyBear · 02/01/2010 12:43

[Long gap due to me refreshing my memory about the end of the War Games]

In that story (the first one where we hear about the Time Lords by name) when Jamie asks 'Why did you leave' he says 'Because I was bored' - indicating it was of his own accord. And in the subsequent trial there is no indication that he has ever been thrown out.

In the first episode, the First Doctor refers to himself and Susan as 'exiles' and says they can never return, but I would take that as meaning it's a self-imposed exile because he knows what would happen if he does return, which is of course what happens at the end of the War Games - he is put on trial for the crime of interference.

Another thought - maybe the fact that Ten is more 'emotionally wanky' than Nine is due to his exposure to the Time Vortex when he took it out of Rose - after all it certainly had an emotional effect on Blon etc Slitheen even before she regressed to an egg.