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And Just Like that S3 cont’d - And Just Like that, it was the finale 😭

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Netaporter · 08/08/2025 04:55

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Holluschickie · 15/08/2025 22:29

I don't feel sorry for Brady..Miranda will be bringing up and supporting that baby while he goes off to the CIA and Mia forages for seaweed!

Actually Carrie will still have the best life. Personally, would rather be alone than play wifey to AJLT Harry or self centred Herbert.

PurplebeadedFendi · 15/08/2025 22:34

CowTown · 15/08/2025 20:55

I thought the writers changed Miranda, not CN?

I do believe CN to be the main driver for the changes to Miranda, as a condition for her returning for AJLT. CN is an executive producer, and that is a powerful position for any actor in a production, it affords them a lot of influence should they choose to exercise it. Writers on long running shows are supposed to use history bibles to ensure they don’t create inconsistencies in the characters. So in my mind, I can’t see how Miranda could have ended up virtually unrecognisable in AJLT without deliberate decision making going on in collaboration with CN.

CN in real life went from a heterosexual relationship with children to leaving her husband for a woman. CN has gone from actor to would be mayor of NY with an extremely woke manifesto. Miranda was a cynical, hetero woman and a hard nosed, ambitious career woman in a profession built around logic and reason, who would have mocked the illogical world of gender politics and the causes AJLT Miranda became involved in. Old Miranda made fun of Samantha’s dabble with lesbianism (despite Samantha being someone completely open minded about sexual encounters). She even said if Sam could be a lesbian, she, Miranda, could be a fire hydrant. Well she may as well have been a fire hydrant in AJLT for all she resembled the original character. AJLT’s Miranda was just a version of CN, complete with denial of her own sexual history and preferences, and apologising constantly for her privilege and not being woke enough.

Was that done in collaboration with MPK or as a condition for CN returning? Or both? Whatever happened, it killed the show from the outset, because it destroyed the legacy of a beloved character, loved for her cynicism and relationship with her husband, and gave us 2 seasons of the despised Che Diaz.

The show lost over 70% of its viewers from the beginning of season 1 to the current season. Most programmes will go to at least 4 or 5 seasons, despite viewer drop off, to make it a more valuable asset on syndication. Unless it is so beyond the pale it’s actually doing more harm than good. AJLT was meant to revive interest in SATC as well and get a new young audience for that show. I don’t know if AJLT will do anything other than put viewers off from seeking out the old show, knowing that much of the lore in SATC is portrayed as lies in AJLT.

I also think Carrie in AJLT is too entwined with SJP’s own identity and ideas for the character. Carrie was always flawed, messy, badly behaved, infuriating but ultimately a fun and relatable character you rooted for. Carrie in AJLT was dull and joyless and was never portrayed as anything other than perfectly prim and proper and in control. She was no longer relatable or even likeable.

SummerEve · 15/08/2025 22:40

Just watched it, having already read this thread in anticipation…but it was still worse than I expected. What an anti-climax, and an insult to SATC. Even my husband, who is a late SATC convert was shocked at how awful it was.

PurplebeadedFendi · 15/08/2025 22:40

SheilaFentiman · 15/08/2025 22:19

I actually felt pretty sorry for Brady. He wants to be a chef, he’s sorting out dinner for all his mum’s friends and families, he’s been dragged along in the past to Lily’s piano recital and whatnot when he isn’t even friends with her.

Then practically everyone cancels, the people who do come are awful to him and the turkey is messed up because none of Mia’s selfish crew thought to bring the food she would eat and Carrie didn’t think to text a Turkey question, just took it out.

Edited

Weren’t Lily and Brady getting it together romantically at the end of Season 2, or am I imagining that? They would have been contemporaries in their early 20s had the stupid writers bothered to stick to their original ages and timelines and given them some decent storylines. They probably would have grown up as virtual cousins through their mothers’ friendships and both being close to Carrie.

Phase42 · 15/08/2025 23:51

Well that was a shit show.... I hate toilet stuff - revolting. And did we really need to see two men pee? Really?

It was all very clunky....like why were they at a bridal fashion show?

And why was Lily smiling at the thought of her parents going to have sex...most teenagers would be horrified!

New young characters were ridiculous. Who introduced new characters in a finale?

Too many characters crammed in.... Terrible that there wasn't one scene with just Carrie, Miranda and Charlotte. I love, love, loved this show in my twenties...that disgusting overflowing toilet represents what the show became.

onceuponatimeinneverland · 16/08/2025 00:55

It was bad. They should have stripped it right back to just the three of them.

MinnieBaldock · 16/08/2025 05:32

Just had a thought. It was a shame that Anthony wasn't at the Thanksgiving dinner, Iwould have liked to have seen him with those awful GenZ kids. He would have ripped though that nasty little denim thing. That would have made a better ending.

SheilaFentiman · 16/08/2025 09:13

Not sorry for Brady overall, particularly, but yeah, if I was cooking my first big holiday meal and everyone kept cancelling/being dreadful, and my mum ran off halfway through proceedings, and my mum’s friend ruined the main course, I would be pretty upset!

Holluschickie · 16/08/2025 09:19

I am still so angry that my last memory of this iconic series about female friendships will be of men shitting, pissing ( twice) moaning about their erections and dancing around like fools.

This is not a series about men!
They should have had the 3 women together, with maybe a text from Samantha. Like the SATC finale.
I hated the movies but I hope they do a movie to wrap it up.

GellerYeller · 16/08/2025 09:20

The good:
Big being acknowledged, finally.
Carrie’s tutu.
Miranda and Steve.
Anthony.

The bad:
’He’s got a plane’. At least pretend not to be so shallow.
The double denim dick.
The bridal show. Why were they even there?
Barry White. An absolute travesty. Belongs to Ally McBeal and no one else.
No mention of Samantha, not even a passing reference.

The downright unforgivable:
THIS WAS NOT A PROPER FINALE.

Holluschickie · 16/08/2025 09:25

Why does Carrie need a plane anyway? She is stonking rich already.
I was mystified why she turned down Franklin the podcast guy. He was hot, nice and had no ex-wives or horrible children.

Holluschickie · 16/08/2025 09:58

Oh I did like the part where Carrie spoke to Charlotte about accepting that she is on her own. Though I do think thar if the series had not been cancelled they would have brought Duncan back in the next series.
Jonathan Cake seemed very surprised on Insta. " Did I kill the show?". 😂

8misskitty8 · 16/08/2025 10:01

Spoilers

It was shit literally. Why did we need that ? Miranda kneeling on the floor in her long dress, no way that apron covered it all, cleaning shitty water and crap of the floor. Then hugging joy with her GLOVES still on who is also swilling around on the crap covered floor.
The multiple men pissing, why ?
It should have finished at episode 10. The way that episode ended was fine.

cordelia16 · 16/08/2025 11:00

MinnieBaldock · 16/08/2025 05:32

Just had a thought. It was a shame that Anthony wasn't at the Thanksgiving dinner, Iwould have liked to have seen him with those awful GenZ kids. He would have ripped though that nasty little denim thing. That would have made a better ending.

Would have loved that.

Doubleraspberry · 16/08/2025 11:07

But at the same time we’ve seen awful Gen Z repeatedly in this series. It really does feel like a boomer hitting down at young people. I know no one who would behave in the way those characters did. It grated. It felt like it was based on what people say on Reddit rather than any sense of personal experience of people in their early 20s.

Newgirls · 16/08/2025 12:11

They were at the show because LTW owed a favour for someone who appeared in her documentary so she promised to bring her fashion friends

I liked that scene - made them all reflect on marriage which was the obsession for SATC.

Newgirls · 16/08/2025 12:12

Oh wouldnt it have been great to all end in Carrie’s Apt with all the friends and pies.

SheilaFentiman · 16/08/2025 14:10

I liked the wedding scene too. Yes, it was a bit tenuous that they would all be there at a moment’s notice in thanksgiving week, but it was also the kind of randomness that happened in SATC and it advanced the friendship plots, for once!

SheilaFentiman · 16/08/2025 14:10

Newgirls · 16/08/2025 12:12

Oh wouldnt it have been great to all end in Carrie’s Apt with all the friends and pies.

Too similar to The Last Supper in s2 (now that was a planned finale, even if only a season finale!)

Thegreyhound · 16/08/2025 14:14

PurplebeadedFendi · 15/08/2025 22:34

I do believe CN to be the main driver for the changes to Miranda, as a condition for her returning for AJLT. CN is an executive producer, and that is a powerful position for any actor in a production, it affords them a lot of influence should they choose to exercise it. Writers on long running shows are supposed to use history bibles to ensure they don’t create inconsistencies in the characters. So in my mind, I can’t see how Miranda could have ended up virtually unrecognisable in AJLT without deliberate decision making going on in collaboration with CN.

CN in real life went from a heterosexual relationship with children to leaving her husband for a woman. CN has gone from actor to would be mayor of NY with an extremely woke manifesto. Miranda was a cynical, hetero woman and a hard nosed, ambitious career woman in a profession built around logic and reason, who would have mocked the illogical world of gender politics and the causes AJLT Miranda became involved in. Old Miranda made fun of Samantha’s dabble with lesbianism (despite Samantha being someone completely open minded about sexual encounters). She even said if Sam could be a lesbian, she, Miranda, could be a fire hydrant. Well she may as well have been a fire hydrant in AJLT for all she resembled the original character. AJLT’s Miranda was just a version of CN, complete with denial of her own sexual history and preferences, and apologising constantly for her privilege and not being woke enough.

Was that done in collaboration with MPK or as a condition for CN returning? Or both? Whatever happened, it killed the show from the outset, because it destroyed the legacy of a beloved character, loved for her cynicism and relationship with her husband, and gave us 2 seasons of the despised Che Diaz.

The show lost over 70% of its viewers from the beginning of season 1 to the current season. Most programmes will go to at least 4 or 5 seasons, despite viewer drop off, to make it a more valuable asset on syndication. Unless it is so beyond the pale it’s actually doing more harm than good. AJLT was meant to revive interest in SATC as well and get a new young audience for that show. I don’t know if AJLT will do anything other than put viewers off from seeking out the old show, knowing that much of the lore in SATC is portrayed as lies in AJLT.

I also think Carrie in AJLT is too entwined with SJP’s own identity and ideas for the character. Carrie was always flawed, messy, badly behaved, infuriating but ultimately a fun and relatable character you rooted for. Carrie in AJLT was dull and joyless and was never portrayed as anything other than perfectly prim and proper and in control. She was no longer relatable or even likeable.

I’m going to counter this because I do think the Miranda storyline/ character arc was within the bounds of plausible, for a few reasons..

first, people often have ‘exit affairs’ with entirely unsuitable/random/appalling people- enter Che Diaz (yuk). They can be all consuming at the time and then ‘aargh what was I thinking?!’ afterwards

second, middle age/ perimenopause/ menopause can be a real pivot time for women with massive confidence loss or gain and rebuilding- unsurprising she would have a loss of self and then rebuild given her age

lastly, re the gender politics/ so called ‘woke’ I don’t think we can under estimate the effects of BLM on people’s thinking in the states and also re the gender politics, why would an intelligent woman not want to try to wrap her head around that? Being a cynic and being closed minded are not the same thing. I feel like the show did a good job of both respecting AND sending up the bonkersness of various gen z/ alpha stuff in the form of Rock on the one hand and Mia & her mates on the other.

just my take on it. I really liked the show overall despite many moments of cringe (usually around che in seasons 1 and 2 and Carrie’s novel this season) I think it had a warm heartedness.

Newgirls · 16/08/2025 14:34

Yes I have more sympathy for the Miranda character than lots here - I do know mid life women who left marriages with men and then went with a very different type inc women. It does happen. It was a bit clunky in this show but it did lead her to joy who is great

71Alex · 16/08/2025 16:08

I agree the Miranda storyline was broadly plausible. But in SATC she represented some of the issues that less ‘feminine’ heterosexual women encounter, and as such she was the character I identified with most. I missed that in AJLT.

Holluschickie · 16/08/2025 16:28

Interesting interview with MPK on that finale. He sees it all differently than I do. Apparently the shit is deeply meaningful. So is the gluten. It's all deeply meaningful. And he claims he knew it was going to be the finale.
www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/and-just-like-that-finale-michael-patrick-king-satc-ending-interview-1236345204/

Netaporter · 16/08/2025 16:32

Holluschickie · 16/08/2025 16:28

Interesting interview with MPK on that finale. He sees it all differently than I do. Apparently the shit is deeply meaningful. So is the gluten. It's all deeply meaningful. And he claims he knew it was going to be the finale.
www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/and-just-like-that-finale-michael-patrick-king-satc-ending-interview-1236345204/

Is MPK’s Dad Geppetto? 🤥😂

I just rewatched the SATC finale. Now that was actually a finale.

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StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 16/08/2025 16:53

Holluschickie · 16/08/2025 16:28

Interesting interview with MPK on that finale. He sees it all differently than I do. Apparently the shit is deeply meaningful. So is the gluten. It's all deeply meaningful. And he claims he knew it was going to be the finale.
www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/and-just-like-that-finale-michael-patrick-king-satc-ending-interview-1236345204/

Well, they didn't clean up the shit together.
Miranda had just finished then hugged Joy in her stinking marigolds 🤢.

I still don't buy it. At all.

I think they had the ten episodes. And the tenth episode is good. But HBO pulled the plug because ratings have been poor and the last two episodes came from that.

And the cast didn't know? Only SJP?

If that two-parter was planned, it makes it worse for me. Because 3/4 of the series was trying to make it work with Aiden. Carrie wasn't choosing or loving herself at all.

So the arc of self-acceptance, not needing a man and realising her own self-worth - not taking any man out of desperation - came too late in that arc, literally in the last half hour.