The Traitors #12 why are we still here?!

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The third series may be over but we still have a lot to say.

This is so lovely, I'm going to donate now too.

Alexander is the people's champion (or at least the people of Mumnset!)
See you all next year.

I came to post that. It’s lovely news, he must be so proud.

I've only just got to see the final. So annoyed Alexander and Frankie didn't get their share of the prize.

Freddie told his friends he was going on an M15 training course so no contact was possible

i wonder how difficult it was for Dr Kas to get all the time off needed

I watched the U.S.A. version last night. I can't believe how glamorous the U.S. lot are. All designer clothes, joke shop teeth, hair extensions and botoxed to the hilt. Lost count the number of times 'Oh my gaad' was exclaimed - so dramatic about everything.

Loved Minah, Alexander and Frankie. Charlotte was good, but she thought she was way smarter than she was. She shouldn't have gone after Minah so early on and the whole Freddie thing was awful and the reason she got found out.

Leanne was awful and I can't believe she won but not before throwing Frankie and Alexander under the bus 😡😡😡 absolutely hated Leanne!

Charlotte played the game well and if she hadn't been picked by the Seer could easily have won as no one suspected her until then.

God knows why they introduced the Seer in that format at that stage of the game- it really screwed jt up. In Werewolf (a version of the game which Traitors is based on) there is a Seer but no one else knows who they are. Makes it a much better game.

Frankie was useless, her voting was all over the place and I hated all the 'I'm a mummy' emotional stuff at the end. And 'I don't like all the drama' hahahahaha yeah right.

Leanne made it all bitchy and personal too.

Wish Alexander and Jake had shared the winnings

I liked Leon, though I was primarily fascinated by his post-‘coffin’ angst and paranoia. Maybe he just needed some time in a nice shed…

I donated to Mencap yesterday afternoon citing Alexander as my reason, after reading posts on this thread. So thank you @SauvignonBlanche and others ❤️

fed up with the nasty posts about Leanne. its called the traitors. they are all out for number one. yes even Alexander.

Yes, the Seer was an awful move. I really hated it and it messed up the whole game. But Charlotte would have gone undetected if she hadn't thrown Freddie under the bus so unnecessarily. Freddie took her down with him by mentioning her name and that's why Frankie picked her.

Of course they’re all in it to win! People criticise Leanne not because she wanted to win and did, but because (1) she was unpleasantly verbally aggressive to other players fairly consistently, and because (2) she didn’t seem to have grasped that someone suspecting her in a game that was all about deceit and treachery was not some outrageous personal attack, but pretty much exactly what they were there for.

I wasn’t particularly happy that she won because honestly, I think that the reason she wasn’t banished was in large part because people were afraid to tackle her because of her aggressive, over-the-top responses: basically it was always easier to choose someone else to be suspicious of.

Who are you going to voice your suspicions of at the round table — someone who gets incredibly angry at their name being brought up, and shouts, or a gentle type like Freddie, or a polite older woman who doesn’t raise her voice?

I mean, sure, it’s a tactic (and it worked), but an unpleasant one.

Charlotte made two mistakes that cost her the win:

1. Minah - she should have stuck with her and given her up as a traitor much later on in the game;
2. Freddie - there was absolutely no reason for her to do the whole shield trick thing as people were already suspicious of Freddie and Alexander. Freddie wouldn't have voted for her then and she would have continued undetected.

This has probably been asked before but what would have happened if Freddie had turned down Charlotte and opted to be murdered? Would she have had to recruit again or just carried on as the only traitor?
It wouldn't have made a lot of difference to the viewers, although someone else might have won seer if Freddie hadn't been there to play.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1tbasPTKtTAHk9RlReg2kq Very interesting episode with Ivan from series one.

Yes this. Leanne is simply a bully. Yes it’s a game but that’s not why I’m unhappy she won.

The Rest is Entertainment had an interesting discussion about the traitors (out today). Essentially Marina Hyde was saying that it's a different type of reality show than many others partly because it includes people who aren't usually on reality shows eg a vicar. She singled out Leanne and Livy as the sort of people usually on reality television and therefore less interesting

Good Traitors chat on The Rest is Entertainment today (last 15 mins or so)

Richard Osman said he knows who is doing Celeb Traitors and the line up is amazing!

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-entertainment/id1718287198?i=1000685832807

Love this little gem from Richard Osman right at the end:

“I was talking to one of the execs on traitors, and I said to him, you know the bit where they all have to carry those Easter Island statues, and you got the heads and you got the bodies, and the bodies look exactly like penises? Yeah.

I said, was that an in-joke? He goes, we literally only noticed on the day. He said they'd all been made, they'd all been built, they'd be thinking of a million other things, he'd be thinking about the contestants.

Then the second that two of them just raised one of these huge stone things above their heads. Everyone in the gallery goes, oh my god, they look exactly like cocks. Oh my god, I said we had absolutely no idea.

I thought, oh that's, you never know with telly.”

I loved it on Uncloaked where Ed Gamble said to the guest something like "let's just get the penis laughs done now".

Oh, I’d thought they weren’t going to talk about it again as they’d had a subscriber-only special on Traitors (and I can’t justify £8 a month) — good to know. They’ve had interesting discussions before about the bookers for celebrity shows like Strictly and I’m A Celebrity, and how the booking process operated. Which was far more interesting than me than either of the shows themselves…

The subscriber edition was a one-off Q&A because they had received so many questions about the show, but they have carried on chatting about it and giving little insider bits of info on the main pod.

Apologies @Disasterclass I didn’t see your post about today’s podcast before I posted mine - great minds think alike!

Yes this. Leanne is simply a bully. Yes it’s a game but that’s not why I’m unhappy she won.*

Agree. Leanne was personally aggressive towards anyone who dared question her. She dished it out but couldn't handle people doing to her what she did to them.
I was sorry she was a winner. She went purely on emotion rather than using any information which emerged during the game.

Are you a subscriber? Did they have anything new to say, other than that they’d both ideally want to play as late-recruited traitors?