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Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Itsonlybridgetagain · 25/11/2024 13:38

Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

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CharlotteRumpling · 26/11/2024 19:08

Not watched the documentary.

I have never been able to get past the ransom note. That just can't be explained.
And, as pp said, some experts do not believe there was conclusive sexual abuse and think the foreign DNA was minute.

I think the family did it.

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 19:33

Westfacing · 26/11/2024 15:21

I haven't watched the latest documentary.

On the matter of the ransom note: it's an extraordinary coincidence that a killer would have similar handwriting to the mother, if that is indeed the case. On the other hand, if I were writing a ransom note/poison pen letter/threat I would keep it short so there was not much to analyse.

Patsy was ruled out by the handwriting experts, actually.

If she wrote the note, why did she ignore her own note and immediately call the police?

TENSsion · 26/11/2024 19:48

QuirkyandGreen · 26/11/2024 18:12

I don't believe it was the family and never did. The police never investigated properly, leaked untrue information and withheld facts the public record. Male DNA of an unknown person was found all over JB, including under her fingernails as the little mite tried to fight for her life. I dont understand how could anyone say otherwise?

I'm watching another Netflix documentary series where someone went to jail because some expert absolutely swore that the bite marks on a child murder victim came from one person and one person only. That person was then in JAIL when another little girl was murdered and had similar bite marks to the 1st victim.

Also, the case of Lacey Peterson. Her husband is in jail for her murder despite there being no physical or DNA evidence to convict him, the timeline presented by the police was ripped apart in court, he had an alibi to prove he was nowhere near but convicted by the court of public opinion because he was a cheating, lying git and therefore must be a murderer.

I can see exactly why the Ramseys got a lawyer pretty damn quickly.

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You think Scott Peterson is innocent???

Pootle40 · 26/11/2024 19:51

@TENSsion my thoughts exactly ! Of course he did!

TheShellBeach · 26/11/2024 19:52

TENSsion · 26/11/2024 19:48

You think Scott Peterson is innocent???

I mean........ how can anyone think Scott Peterson was innocent?

Pootle40 · 26/11/2024 19:52

@monkfruitmartini patsy couldn't be ruled out actually but nobody could say it was definitely her handwriting

Hoplolly · 26/11/2024 19:53

It was definitely an inside family job, if her brother didn't do it, he knows something.

Pootle40 · 26/11/2024 19:54

@monkfruitmartini it's a good point I always thought WHY did they phone the police if they had been told not to because their child would be killed. They didn't seemingly hesitate to phone the police so I actually thought that was odd as in they knew the letter wasn't serious.

XelaM · 26/11/2024 19:55

QuirkyandGreen · 26/11/2024 18:12

I don't believe it was the family and never did. The police never investigated properly, leaked untrue information and withheld facts the public record. Male DNA of an unknown person was found all over JB, including under her fingernails as the little mite tried to fight for her life. I dont understand how could anyone say otherwise?

I'm watching another Netflix documentary series where someone went to jail because some expert absolutely swore that the bite marks on a child murder victim came from one person and one person only. That person was then in JAIL when another little girl was murdered and had similar bite marks to the 1st victim.

Also, the case of Lacey Peterson. Her husband is in jail for her murder despite there being no physical or DNA evidence to convict him, the timeline presented by the police was ripped apart in court, he had an alibi to prove he was nowhere near but convicted by the court of public opinion because he was a cheating, lying git and therefore must be a murderer.

I can see exactly why the Ramseys got a lawyer pretty damn quickly.

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Omg 😦 you think Scott Peterson is innocent?!? WHAAAAAAT?!? Is this you Scott?

Jackiebrambles · 26/11/2024 19:58

I’ve watched it all on Netflix now and I thought Ramsey was very convincing! but it did feel like they glossed over things, they didn’t mention parties they’d had in the days previously for example.

The note and the theory of an intruder just doesn’t seem to add up. I think the DNA they have is corrupted, and I wonder if with newer techniques and re-testing they might get somewhere.

TENSsion · 26/11/2024 19:58

TheShellBeach · 26/11/2024 19:52

I mean........ how can anyone think Scott Peterson was innocent?

The same people who think that ransom note was written by an intruder

PoissonOfTheChrist · 26/11/2024 19:59

Hoplolly · 26/11/2024 19:53

It was definitely an inside family job, if her brother didn't do it, he knows something.

Why do you think that of Burke? He was only 9 years old at the time. Are people forgetting what 9 year olds are actually like?Confused

BettyBardMacDonald · 26/11/2024 19:59

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 19:33

Patsy was ruled out by the handwriting experts, actually.

If she wrote the note, why did she ignore her own note and immediately call the police?

She wasn't ruled out by ALL handwriting experts by far. Again, the political and business connections in Boulder absolved the Ramsays where others would have been prosecuted.

She ignored the note because she knew it was fake, and bodies decompose.

Why did she not change clothes all night?
Why did she tell John the note said not to call the police when her own testimony to the police said she just glanced at the top page of the note and rushed to John?

The list of questions goes on.

I would suggest that anyone truly interested in the case go to Websleuths.com; there is a vast archive of material there.

Also this is interesting: http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-ransom-note.htm

s-evidence-ransom-note.htm

Flight755 15th Street

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-ransom-note.htm

BettyBardMacDonald · 26/11/2024 20:02

TheShellBeach · 26/11/2024 13:43

Real kidnappers don't waste their time writing elaborate notes. Neither do they write them when they arrive at your house.

They bring their note with them.

They just say something like:

We have your daughter
We want $250,000 or we'll kill her
Expect phone call at 6pm
Do not contact police

Oh and they actually kidnap the child. There is no point asking for a ransom on a dead child whose body is left in the house. Who is going to pay up? The removed child is their bargaining chip.

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And they call.

Remember, there was no phone call received. And John was on the phone trying to summon his private pilot to whisk the family out of state, leaving his little daughter's dead body behind.

The body that was covered with a blanket, something few real killers are likely to do. Even as unlikely as hiding her in a dark part of the house that few people knew existed.....

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 20:06

I would suggest that anyone truly interested in the case go to Websleuths.com;

Websleuths is full of absolute dodos! There are numerous well-researched books and several reputable documentaries about the case, but pretty well all of them have an angle. It was interesting to see one with the intruder did it slant.

BettyBardMacDonald · 26/11/2024 20:07

custardpyjamas · 26/11/2024 13:49

The window was open not broken. He was probably in the house for hours before the family came home. There was someone else's DNA on the little girls underwear and under her fingernails, the DNA didn't match her mother, father or brother (or any other close family) the police didn't reveal the DNA evidence for a long time, because it disproved their theory and allowed the press to whip up feeling against the family and the press published all sorts of blatant lies.

They had just been at a party with lots of other people. Of course there was likely other persons DNA on her. Playing, hugging, holding hands, etc.

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 20:07

PoissonOfTheChrist · 26/11/2024 19:59

Why do you think that of Burke? He was only 9 years old at the time. Are people forgetting what 9 year olds are actually like?Confused

He was 9, as they repeated multiple times in this recent documentary. But he was about to turn ten in one month's time.

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 20:13

TENSsion · 26/11/2024 19:58

The same people who think that ransom note was written by an intruder

People like Lou Smit, who unlike Steve Thomas had a long history of working on and solving homicide cases. And people like John E Douglas, who worked for the FBI for 25 years, who inspired the tv show Mindhunter, and who effectively invented criminal profiling.

TENSsion · 26/11/2024 20:20

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 20:13

People like Lou Smit, who unlike Steve Thomas had a long history of working on and solving homicide cases. And people like John E Douglas, who worked for the FBI for 25 years, who inspired the tv show Mindhunter, and who effectively invented criminal profiling.

Lou Smit who became very close, personal friends with the Ramseys? Lou Smit who spoke about how emotional it was to share prayers with the Ramseys?

That Lou Smit?

westisbest1982 · 26/11/2024 20:21

BettyBardMacDonald · 26/11/2024 20:07

They had just been at a party with lots of other people. Of course there was likely other persons DNA on her. Playing, hugging, holding hands, etc.

You really are reaching now. The DNA from a male unrelated to the family was found in her underwear and fingernails which doesn’t suggest ‘hugging, playing, holding hands etc’.

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 20:22

TENSsion · 26/11/2024 20:20

Lou Smit who became very close, personal friends with the Ramseys? Lou Smit who spoke about how emotional it was to share prayers with the Ramseys?

That Lou Smit?

Doesn't erase his successful history investigating and solving homicides.

TENSsion · 26/11/2024 20:25

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 20:22

Doesn't erase his successful history investigating and solving homicides.

It proves his opinion is compromised and he acted unprofessionally in this case.

monkfruitmartini · 26/11/2024 20:29

TENSsion · 26/11/2024 20:25

It proves his opinion is compromised and he acted unprofessionally in this case.

It is interesting you single this out as the seemingly lone unprofessional police act in this case!

QuirkyandGreen · 26/11/2024 20:31

TENSsion · 26/11/2024 19:48

You think Scott Peterson is innocent???

No, not necessarily. I just think the evidence he was convicted on was very very weak. If he did it, the police didn't prove how he did beyond any reasonable doubt.

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