Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

Which book was it? There are multiple books with multiple different angles or agendas. And by maid, do you mean the housekeeper who, along with her family, were considered prime suspects?

And didn’t steal anything.

Actually, there was an item belonging to JB that was stolen, known only to the family and those closest to the case - never released to the media.

I think the housekeeper being a 'prime' suspect may just be Ramsey narrative. A bit like the 'brutal' murder by a 'monster'. A lot of the staging is not as brutal as it appears

Have you read the autopsy report?

Also, it's not "Ramsey family narrative". Asked the day after by detectives who might have wanted to target them, Patsy mentioned the housekeeper had asked for a $2,000 loan recently. But she then went onto say that the housekeeper would not use terms like "and hence" or " attaché case". Steve Thomas was suspicious of the housekeeper's husband. And for all the people who scoff at an intruder (1) knowing the layout of the house, and (2) using a notepad from the house and returning it and the pen to their place, a housekeeper would be as likely to know and do those things as Patsy Ramsey.

So we’re discrediting any statement by anyone “considered a suspect”?

Doe that include the Ramseys or…?

Sometimes witnesses lie to cover up something else other than the crime. An affair, for example. People then pick up on the fact they are lying but can’t figure out why. I think that’s likely to have happened in the McCann case and the Meredith Kercher case.

So what if the intruder and family involvement are both simultaneously true?

The parents could have found JBR and thought ‘No one is going to believe we didn’t hear this happening in our house. They’ll think it’s us, they’ll think it’s Burke’. Or perhaps the parents did think it was Burke.

And so they lied about JBR going immediately to bed and fabricated a ransom note to throw it away from themselves.

Just another theory to consider.

Why write a ransom note and then leave a child’s body in the house? If someone wrote the ransom note prior to JonBenet’s death, why didn’t they take it with them when they left because it would be no longer needed and could help identify them? That, to me, rules out men related to people who helped in the house. Moreover, why would an adult man need to hit a small child over the head to kidnap them? A hand over the mouth would be sufficient.

A ransom note would buy an intruder some time if they wanted to get out of the state before borders are set up.

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The parents could have found JBR and thought ‘No one is going to believe we didn’t hear this happening in our house. They’ll think it’s us, they’ll think it’s Burke’. Or perhaps the parents did think it was Burke.

I just don't buy that they thought this. The house is absolutely massive. Huge.

It's not a regular house where you'd be hard pushed not to hear something.

It's a 7.5k square foot, three storey home with a basement.

It doesn't look that big from the front but here is an aerial view.

I didn't say that. You said "the maid". I wanted to be clear we were talking about the same individual.

But you can't discredit every statement by the Ramsey's and then turn around and claim that any and all statements (including those made in their book as a cash grab) made by the housekeeper and her husband (who Thomas was iffy on) are absolute truth.

My point is that for all the claims no intruder would be able to find their way in the dark, as nobody but the Ramseys would know the layout, there were others close to the case who knew it intimately.

On top of all the workers who came in to do the renovations, all the tradesmen who came in after that to fix a leak, the boiler, the plumbing, all the cleaners and other house staff employed at different times, there were well over a thousand people who knew the layout of that house. Not a handful, but a thousand plus.

Where did I discredit “everything the Ramseys said”?

Not really because the police would search the house looking for evidence of the kidnapper - and would come across JB’s body.

Where did I discredit “everything the Ramseys said”?

I'm speaking broadly. People who believe the Ramseys did it - whether one, or two, or all three of them, in whatever combination - clearly believe the Ramseys, or at least one of them (or two, or three) are lying.

I've spent decades believing they did it. It is interesting to consider the other point of view.

What?

Sorry don't know if this has been said, but I found it odd that as parents you'd place your young child's bedroom on the opposite end of the (massive) house. That of course doesn't in any way incriminate them.

A ransom note wouldn’t buy time to cross the state boundary because the police would look at the house for signs of entry and evidence left behind - and would find the body.

But they did look at the house for signs of entry and managed to not locate JB's body in all the hours after they were called.

@monkfruitmartini yes I have read it. I've listened to a huge amount on it too. There was no damage to the internal area of the neck from lack of pressure applied. The bindings were also loose. The duct tape imprint indicated placement on the mouth after death. And so that is my point. You will hear a lot about a brutal murder by a monster from the Ramsey side. Yes she was hit over the head very hard by an object (although her age and size may not require same force) and the rest is staging.

Honestly the only scenario in which I believe the parents are not involved in at least covering up her murder and protecting the murderer with that ridiculous ransom note is if someone very close to the family (with all the intimate knowledge of them and the house) did it and tried to frame them with writing that crazy note. It's a lot more probable that the parents or brother did it, but in any event an unknown intruder is the least believable version.

So, the "lack of pressure"... wasn't responsible for any of this:

Dr. Meyer observed ligature marks on her neck and petechial hemorrhages to her eyes both signs of death by strangulation.

A white synthetic cord, matching that found on the wrist, had formed a tight ligature around JonBenet's neck. The cord had been tied with a double knot at the back of her neck. Dr.Meyer cut off the cord exposing a deep furrow created by the tight cord encircling the neck.

More petechial hemorrhages were found on JonBenet's neck, above and below the furrow.

The cause of death as determined by Dr. Meyer was asphyxia due to strangulation a homicide. The results of the examination indicated to Dr. Meyer that JonBenet was alive at the time she received the blow to the head and alive at the time the ligature had been tightened around her neck

That sounds like a bit of light staging to you?

@monkfruitmartini go and listen to some experts break this down. Yes she did finally suffocate and this was shown. The embedding and red marks can be put down to bloating after death they don't necessarily show pressure while alive.

No intruder did this crime if you look at ALL the evidence but badly handled and difficult to prosecute and prove now

Why don't you go and listen to some experts break this down. Former FBI profilers:

Search | The Consult: Real FBI Profilers

The Netflix documentary should have addressed the 2016 documentary. Instead they just said Burke could not have written the note and he sued the documentary makers.

That's not negating the 2016 documentary POV that Burke did it and the parents covered it up. I'm willing to listen to why that argument is wrong but Netflix didn't do that.

Why should they address that documentary, and not the many other documentaries, good and bad? This Netflix one was examining the angle of an intruder did it. They weren't doing a balanced overview, looking at all the angles already presented, they were presenting the intruder theory.

There is no mention of the cellar door being locked with a small latch on the upper corner, I guess it was put there for child safety reason?
Apparently thats why the first officer to arrive didn’t look further as it looked undisturbed and couldn’t be used as an entry point.