Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

Why did he invite a crowd of friends over instead of telling the police to secure the scene? Why did he let well wishers take over his kitchen to provide food for the friends instead of sealing it off so police could get fingerprints or DNA from the kidnapper? He is an intelligent man.

Patsy invited the crowd of friends over. And the police should have sealed the house off, and turned the friends away at the door - that's their job, protecting the crime scene, not John's.

Chronic bedwetting can also be a sign of abuse. There was nothing normal about that family.

I've just watched ít, there was a lot of details I wasn't aware of, I've seen a couple of documentaries over the years but watching this I feel the family is in no way involved, lots of fuck ups in the beginning, lots of made up stuff too. I didn't see anything about pineapple ? It's a shame that with today's technology they can't re investigate this case, the father even said how easy it would be to do this. That bloke doing the emailing, holy fuck proper weirdos out there.

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'The parents seem cold and never refer to her by name, just 'that child' which is like they're distancing themselves from the situation.'
I noticed that straight away, because my mother used to do the same thing.
If we were out, and met someone she knew, she'd always say "This is the daughter," - she never referred to me by name.

Interesting that the ‘thick snow and no footprints’ thing was all a load of rubbish. I always thought that was a fact.

I also remember reading about cobwebs around the broken window being intact (so unlikely anybody had squeezed through there) but I now wonder if that was all made up as well.

You don't see anything about pineapple in the Netflix documentary because it leaves out many important facts. True that most documentaries or podcasts on this do, depending on who they think did it. But the pineapple is important, because it contradicts the Ramsey's version of the events. It's in the autopsy report. One could argue that they simply forgot that JB got up again to eat the pineapple, but why would they conceal that? According to their version, everybody was in bed by 10 pm.

I don't see how technology can be used to solve this case when the DNA found is trace elements only, as I understand. plus the crime scene was totally contaminated. It is in John Ramsey's interest, I think. to claim the case can be solved by DNA. Actually, I believe it will never be solved, as there just isn't enough evidence.

Oh right I thought I had missed about the pineapple.

The father said items were never tested. This is a statement he has made

John Ramsey has been an outspoken advocate for additional testing and outside assistance to help solve the case. He expressed disappointment that crucial evidence, such as items found at the crime scene, was either never tested for DNA or subjected to outdated testing methods. “Of the items sent to labs in the beginning, six or seven of them were returned untested. We don’t know why they were not tested, but they were not tested,” he explained.
The case has been marked by technological advancements in DNA testing, particularly in the realm of genealogical research, and John believes that this technology could help uncover vital leads.

They should probably test the heavy black flashlight seen in original pictures of the house, given the nature of the head injury, but that has unaccountably disappeared. Maybe the intruder carefully stowed it away, just as he did the notepad and pen, after he wrote the ransom note, having first ascertained where the Ramseys kept their stationary in a big old house. Tidy of him!

I thought they said they tested the flashlight and a baseball bat and both were clear ?

There were two flashlights, as I understand.

One could argue that they simply forgot that JB got up again to eat the pineapple, but why would they conceal that?

Why would they even know? She was able to go downstairs and open the fridge herself.

It has been suggested that the flashlight was left behind by one of the bumbling cops at the house earlier.

Thanks for that, didn't know that

I've been following this case for years, along with other child cases and could never make my mind up about who's responsible.
I've realised after 2 child murders in my area in the last 3 years by someone in the home, that people do try to cover it up, and It was just me not wanting to believe that someone who was supposed to protect and care for these children could do something so horrific.
So I'm starting to believe after all these years that it was someone in the home and could barely sleep last night over it . Might sound dramatic but I don't try to get attention for myself over it. I Just keep all my thoughts and feelings to myself, and on here anonymously. The realisation that the family is involved is what I'm struggling with.
Jon benet head injury was internal so would have been no blood ?
Burke hitting her over the head a month earlier with a golf club.
If an intruder was taking her for ransom would they not just silence her, take her, then leave the note ? as they want their money ?

Why would they abuse her in the way they did , then leave a note on the spiral staircase ? so much goings on and nobody heard a thing ?
If patsy is to be believed and, let's just say called police before reading the whole note, about not phoning police, did she express a fear of phoning them afterwards ? was she worried jb would be "beheaded" as she called police. If this is to be believed and if it happened to me, I'd not be phoning police, why would I ? my child is gone and there is a demand for money..no problem, I'd be getting the money to get my child back. This would be my only focus.
Why do this ? and I haven't read anywhere over the years about them being focused on the kidnapper calling for the ransom money and her coming home after ?
The latch on the door we're jb body was, was locked from the outside
patsy in the same clothes from night before

And I hate to write this next part but as patsy had just recovered from ovarian cancer, I'm sure she knew there was a chance of it coming back at some point, which would make a cover up easier for her somehow..like she could make peace with it as there was a chance she wouldn't have to live with it for a very long life time.
I don't know who did it but something went very wrong in that house that night. They never returned either.
They had included the amount of John's bonus in their Christmas card that year too.
There seems to be a lot more support for the family since the new netflix doc. John can shout away about wanting dna testing done, but he knows there isn't enough of it which is why he's saying it.

No. The other half of the paintbrush was found with Patsy's art supplies in the basement. Along with chips/splinters from where it was broken apart.

This "documentary" leaves out many elements of the case and is very pro-Ramsey. The filmmaker is known for shoddy reporting and overt bias. Anyone who is taking their main knowledge of the case from this video is being misled.

For example, both Ramseys, the housekeeper, a family friend and their adult son identified the flashlight (and there was only one) as John's. Transcripts of these police interviews are easily found online. The flashlight is not lost, it is in the hand of the police along with other evidence. There was no additional flashlight "left by intruders" at the scene.

Those who are truly interested in the case need to look at the original source material.

And ask yourself, would "a small foreign faction" really risk life in prison for a measly $118,000 that would barely cover a few months' expenses, let alone advance a revolutionary cause? John's company was owned by major defense contractor Lockheed Martin; anyone wanting money would be more logical to kidnap HIM and dun the company for ransom. Not target a suburban child for an inconsequential sum.

I really don't know what to think but I don't believe the parents had anything to do with it. I used to think it was a cover up for Burke doing it but I really don't know now.

The oddity is the note, but I guess if someone was already in the house when they got home, if he had been there a few hours there would have been plenty of time.

I did however, think it was strange at the end John Ramsey was showing off some of JonBenets boots and his wife said they thought of her like a grandchild as she was forever 6. I thought that was an odd thing to say - nothing to do with guilt or not, just thought it was odd.

At the end they implied that there would be further DNA testing and doing a familial search on existing databases like they did with the golden state killer.

The oddity is the note, but I guess if someone was already in the house when they got home, if he had been there a few hours there would have been plenty of time

Plenty of time to realise what a stupid idea it was! What genuine kidnapper leaves a note like that with pages of nannyish fussing (be well-rested) and Hollywood tropes (a small foreign faction)? The note is batshit, and all I can think is that someone wrote it in a highly panicked state as part of a cover up.

How different it would be if there was no note.
think about that, just a missing child who would be found tortured and deceased in the home
everyone in the home would be arrested straight away
the note was to protect themselves

some have been saying the blow to the head wasn't what killed her so the rest couldn't have been staging
well what if the blow to the head was first and as she lay dying the staging began before she actually passed away
again all to protect themselves
Im wondering if they were planning on moving her body at some stage or wanted it to be found for a proper burial

Inviting all friends over was intentional

I'm thinking if I was john, and was totally innocent, after finding her body, would I carry her up to we're my devastated wife was to see her child in that state or would I protect my wife and friends from having to witness that..I think I'd try to prevent my wife and friends from seeing that...

For anyone interested there is a very good podcast on the case called 'A Normal Family'. Like many others I believe (since all the evidence points that way) that was a crime in the home and this podcast certainly stacks up very closely to the findings of the grand jury in terms of failure to protect a child from abuse that led to death.

@pooballs there is police video shortage available showing the large cobwebs

Agreed. See my post below re the podcast.

Which is interesting as the amounts are tiny from 6 different people whereas you would think one abuser spending all that time in the home killing the child would have left lots of dna. Also fibres from Patsy's jacket she wore on Christmas Day was in various parts of the crime scene

It was all very public. The grandiose ransom note, 911 call, inviting a houseful of friends over, John going to the basement with a witness (Fleet White) and hey look, here’s the body. Look, there’s the broken window and suitcase that (someone) moved.

Why wouldn’t you call out and get the police down there? No, he brings her upstairs in front of all their friends and places her on the carpet for all to see, no dignity for JonBenet.

They may not have killed JonBenet but they appear to be covering something up, that is the problem with the Ramseys.

And it all started with that ransom note.