Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

Other way round, I think. My own DD had issues toilet training and there were often times it drove me to quiet desperation because last straw. I didn't hit her or abuse her; just moaned to my mum.

It may not be the toilet training. I just havent seen any convincing evidence of an intruder and a lot of evidence against ( ransom note, puzzling pineapple evidence, weapon used from the scene...)

But quiet desperation (totally get that) isn’t lashing out and killing. It feels like a theory from someone who has never cared for a child with a chronic condition.

Ultimately though we’ll very likely never know.

Some people believe that if Patsy or John write the note, then they deliberately added that $118,000 amount to frame someone John worked with as that was the amount of his bonus.

does the documentary explain how an intruder got in and out and yet there were no marks in the snow and no evidence of an intruder?

There was no snow, apparently?

I’ve heard the theory that the ransom note (possibly written by John) was meant to deter the person most likely to find it (Patsy) from contacting anyone, as it was full of dire threats as to what would happen to Jonbenét if the police were alerted. The point being that if John did it, any delay in contacting the authorities would give him more opportunity to dispose of the body, maybe on the pretext of going to the bank to get the money for the ransom. But Patsy phoned the police as soon as she had read the note and checked that her daughter wasn’t in her room.

I agree the Vanity Fair story up thread is an eye opener on how the Boulder police department colluded with the Ramseys.

Are you confusing the BPD with the DA's office?

There was a footprint that was found.

The fact that jumps out at me is that the "kidnapper" wrote a 3 page ransom note and got the pen and paper from where it was kept and PUT THEM BACK in the right place!

That was mighty calm kidnappers, kill a child hide the body in the basement, then calmly write a note with 3 people sleeping upstairs! And also have 2 other attempts at writing the note.

I think it was a cover up by the parents. I think the child came downstairs stole a bit of her brother's pineapple and in a fit of rage he hit her with the torch.

Torch was in pictures of the crime scene but subsequently disappeared. Maybe the dad disposed of it when he was allowed to go out for an hour by himself.

Also the mum said she took the sleeping girl up her room from their car and straight to bed after their day out. No mention of her waking and eating the pineapple!

Also if you received a ransom note ordering you to tell anyone, would you call the police AND 2 couples and your pastor??? Who all came round?

The mum changed her story as well, first she said she went into the child's bedroom and saw she wasn't there then she said she went down the stairs first, read the note then checked the bedroom.

I think the moment you realise your child is missing is burnt in your memory! I remember every second of losing my son in a shopping centre for 5 minutes and that was over 35 years ago!!

There so many more oddities to this story.

The whole thing is nuts.

It very easily could have been a planned kidnapping but the offender became too excited once he had her and unleashed his urges. His plan went to fuck.

I think he wrote the note while hiding in the house during their open house event.

If it was an intruder, the most logical explanation is that he got in while the family were out of the house and wrote the note then. And saw the bonus figure which was easy to see on the desk.

he had every intention of kidnap but it went wrong and murdered her so fled.

a lot of people wee them selves when terrified. So that is easily explained.

the window was also easy to climb through so very easy for an intrude to get in.

@monkfruitmartini the VF article is critical of both the police and the DA's office, as was Fleet White. John Ramsey's attempts to incriminate Fleet White also read very weirdly to me.

All that said, if I were on a jury, I would not convict the Ramseys as there is reasonable doubt, thanks to police incompetence and the failure to preserve the crime scene. It just beggars belief that John Ramsey was allowed to walk around the house.

Yes, but you were talking about the collusion with the BPD and the Ramseys.

Nobody is going to risk life in prison for $118,000. Divided among all the members of a "small foreign faction." It's absurd.

Pure Patsy.

Fibres from her attire were on the duct tape and in the painting supplies box where part of the "garrotte" was from.

John and Patsy were heard to say "we are not speaking to you!" before the emergency call disconnected, despite claiming later that Burke was in bed.

Patsy was observed peeking through her fingers, dry-eyed, at police, when she was feigning a sobbing fit.

She never changed out of the clothing she wore to the neighbours' party the evening before. These same neighbours were close friends who later expressed suspicion of the Ramseys.

There's a subreddit about this case that shows up the Netflix documentary for the incomplete puffery that it is.

Supposedly when John brought the body into the room, she screamed out "Jesus, you brought Lazarus back from the dead, please bring back my baby!" Before anyone even said the girl was dead.

Pure rehearsed Patsy dramatics. Most people would be incoherent, or trying to resuscitate the child, not staging a dramatic moment over the corpse.

More evidence of police ineptitude and/or feeding falsehoods to the public. THERE WAS NO SNOW at the rear of the house. There was a mere scattering at the front edge of the property. There was no snow for footprints. Photographs taken at the time prove this.

John and Patsy were heard to say "we are not speaking to you!" before the emergency call disconnected, despite claiming later that Burke was in bed.

this is debatable i personally can’t hear it at all even after they ‘altered’ the sound on the recording

If I’m remembering correctly the urine was released as she was killed. I think it’s in the autopsy report.

To buy time? They panic and think they can’t leave the house over the holidays as they’ll be spotted. So they try to misdirect the police (hence the “be well-rested” bit, implying John might need to travel to handover the ransom), hoping that while the police scour the area and further afield, a chance will arise for John to remove the body from the house.

I think the experts actually couldn’t rule her out or in, so they had to say it could be Patsy’s writing?

If she wrote the note, she knew it was all a lie and her daughter was actually dead, so phoned the police re the note in order to send them on a wild goose chase while they worked out how to dispose of the body.

What if you knew there was evidence of sexual abuse? The child is dead. No ER is going to bring her back. What if you felt that your son was going to be implicated in that sexual abuse? Would you phone for emergency help then?

If she wrote the note, she knew it was all a lie and her daughter was actually dead, so phoned the police re the note in order to send them on a wild goose chase while they worked out how to dispose of the body.

But the police would firstly search the house, which the Ramsey's must have known. And that's exactly what happened. We're talking about a 'missing' six-year-old. The police came within three minutes of the phone call.

But the police didn’t find her, John did? I’m not saying there’s logic in it, but in a panic someone might think their only option was misdirecting the police. Maybe that plan changed, hence the phone call because they no longer thought the kidnap idea was good. So the police are phoned, hoping they’d discover the body and think the evil kidnapper chickened out and killed her. But the police don’t find her so John goes to the basement and ‘finds’ her. He doesn’t shout up to the police, he carries her body upstairs thus contaminating the scene.

Patsy called the police just before 6am but the body wasn’t found until around 1pm.

Agreed there was no snow, but how did the intruder enter through the broken window and not disturb any of the cobwebs covering the opening?

But they missed the body when they searched the house. People in a different class would have been ordered out to the police car, but because they were rich the Ramseys were allowed to stay, invite friends over, roam the house and otherwise do self-serving things to muddle up the situation.

A day or so later they were allowed to send a relative in to retrieve god knows what out of the house. Ordinary people would not be allowed those privileges. All of that enabled the Ramseys to confuse the situation. There are reports that a grand jury wanted to indict and the prosecutor felt they did it (the one before that idiot who "cleared" them) but without knowing exactly who did what, the odds of a conviction were slim.

Does anyone remember that incident several years after JonBenet's death, when they claimed an intruder to their Atlanta mansion had locked them in the bathroom? Except that there was no way to lock the door that opened inward, from the outside. They are SUCH fabulists.