24 hours in police custody.

[Toddlerteaplease]

What a horrible man!

I’m surprised that friends and family didn’t notice the conditions she was living in since she became bedridden. He must have done a very good job of deflecting them all away. Although it’s amazing how many ‘friends’ disappear once someone becomes disabled or frail. Perhaps once Annette was no longer the life and soul of the party a lot of her friends just dropped off the radar.

The thing is the programme is about the law and police work not if the cleaner saw fit to contact social services.

Wrt friends, I think people rarely stay in contact if you're not regularly seen out and about, it tends to be out of sight, out of mind .

They discussed this programme on The Rest Is Entertainment and apparently they are under no pressure to produce so many series a year. C4 recognise the quality of the production and say there’s no deadlines, they’ll just take a series when it’s ready.

I had a dog-walking acquaintances who became a friend. He had a stroke and I initially visited him in the care home (big age gap between us). His sister arrived on the scene and warned me off, suspicious of our friendship and my motives.

I thought they were voice notes maybe

I thought it must have been a voice note? In which case you would still have it wouldn't you

@purpleme12yes I suppose but they didn’t clarify so it sort of implied it was the Christmas period she was missing which obviously it can’t have been.

I can’t stop thinking about it, did they ever even manage to determine how / when she was killed.

Erm wow 😮

This interview with him about dismembering this body

Don't know what to say

That was a really really macabre watch

A bit too much really

He was so calm and accepting and just spoke so freely

The first thing I said to DH on watching this was I’d be very suspicious of a young man who moved in with any elderly relative of mine, I was surprised the step son was happy he was there, at best I’d assume he was trying to get himself written in to the will or get some free holidays.

Watched both last night, bloody hell.

The thing that jumped out at me was in the first interview with him, when he was telling them that she'd left with a mystery woman, was that he was clearly lying (you can tell after some time when people are making things up) so it was obviously fishy from the start! Maybe they didn't want to show any bias without the evidence but if I'd been in the room my Spidey senses would be tingling! (Not a cop, interview for other reasons).

The comparison to Ben Field is spot on and the DCI was totally right he must have previous for something similar.

I agree with others, very disappointed with the editing in this episode. The showing of the sex toy found in the car was unnecessary. The editing together voice notes to sound like conversations was a very odd choice, the timeline was deliberately confusing (particularly implying the voice note to the young neighbour was received after she’d gone missing)

normally I think of this as really interesting and well made programmes. This was way too Netflix for its own good.

My mum and dad check on a lady in her 90s in the village on a daily basis, dad drives for her and walks her dogs. He’s known her since the 1970s. She is extremely wealthy.
She doesn’t have any children but her niece checks up on her. She had mum and dad over for afternoon tea to give them the once over. I’d like to think any of us would do the same, even if our relative wasn’t wealthy.

I can’t take my eyes off this guys fingernails, they’re filthy!

agreed! they are disgusting!

He is stomach churningly scary and disgusting- that DI Helen Tebitt is one lady I would want on my side. Honestly a quick bullet to the head would be too good for him

Yes the stepson spoke very fondly of her during the programme but did seem to imply he hadn't visited her for some time, really sad how vulnerable she was.

So so grim.

What a vile human being he is. I found the level of footage they showed in this episode quite salacious and distressing though which was disappointing.

Agree on the manky fingernails. Ugh. He's creepy as hell. How horrid for his victims to see the videos.

Is this a new episode or are we still talking about the butcher of suburbia with Annette?

New episode yesterday

I agree. It was distressing enough hearing about his crimes, the videos were entirely unnecessary and felt like an absolute violation.

When PPs refer to videos, are you referring to the videos of the interviews? Or which videos?

Oh I've just realised you must be talking about yesterday's episode now! 🤦‍♀️

Ignore me

I decided to not watch yesterday's when I read what it was about. Right decision from what PPs are saying!

I agree about the videos in the episode about the rapist.

I think both this episode, and also the episodes about Annette, have both included details that we didn't need to see or hear about. I'm interested in the police procedures, how they collect and analyse the evidence, how they approach the suspect. Plus the "jeopardy" of whether they have grounds to charge/keep the accused in custody. I don't need or want to hear details of how the suspect dismembered Annette's body, or the details of rapes. It's starting to cross the line into being salacious. We already know the crimes featured are violating, shocking & violent.

I agree about the rapist videos - didn’t need to see them. Could have been talked through. I don’t agree about Annette’s murder. I found it unbelievable his responses to questions about it “have you ever done anything like this before” re dismembering. Massive pause. Then “I don’t think so.” Just incredible. I thought the interviews about it were mind blowing. Seemingly such a “nice” guy and undermined the initial thoughts that he had become overwhelmed with caring for her and had “snapped”