EastEnders: the SPOILERS thread!

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Billy already had a child he didn't know about with the woman from his care home , which then resulted in Lola. Didn't the boy die or something?
Tbh, the whole family are a complete mess up and I really cba to sort out who is who in my head. It's too complex.

Lola's dad was Dan ( don;t know when he died but presumably as a young adult/late teen if he was a Dad )

I cannot remember a Charlie except Charlie Cotton ( Dots DH) Charlie Cotton ( who married Ronnie and was Matthews dad) and Charlie Slater .

(Just looked - he was in the Flashback episode and was Jamie's Dad )

Billy has a very complicated backstory!

Charlie was 3 years older and the golden child Billy was jealous of.

Wiki just says Billy’s parents put him in care which is an odd decision - why? So you could be on to something there @70isaLimitNotaTarget and Billy is not their joint child. Although (I'm not sure why) but I had the impression Billy was put into care relatively late in childhood, not as a baby?

My gran was born in 1916 and her father, who was away part of that year at war, was always convinced she was the product of a fling by his wife. He always treated her differently to her brothers and sisters, no presents at Christmas etc.

Would they go there with Billy being Teddy’s dad? It's EastEnders, they might!

I don’t know if this is just a careless name change but wiki says

"William "Billy" Mitchell is the son of Stevie and Val Mitchell”

And then further down

“William Mitchell was born on the 3rd May 1959 in London to Stephen Mitchell and Janet Mitchell."

I’m assuming Janet is the correct name, and young Janet was named after her?

I’m assuming Janet is the correct name, and young Janet was named after her?

Honey's Mum was called Janet - she died giving birth to Honey .
Honey's Dad really didn't like Billy (Good judge of character that man )

When their baby daughter was born, they called her Janet , then when they discovered she had Downs Syndrome , Honey changed her name to Petal .
As if the baby didn't deserved the hallowed name of Janet .

Can I just say , I dislike many Eastenders characters but my dislike of Honey intensified tenfold here

She did eventually change Petal to Janet again.

I might be wrong but for some reason I though Billy’s mum died, the dad couldn’t cope with the two boys so kept the oldest and favourite sbd Billy got put into care, did I make that up?

That's probably the real story but Eastenders do like to re-write history so anything goes

I think you are right,

And probably explains why he was so hostile/horrible/violent to Jamie when he arrived as his jealousy for Charlie overlapped onto his son?

EE WIKI SAID BIlly grew up in a children's home and yes that's why he was so abusive to Jamie .

I thought Janet's name was from Honey's side but Wiki made me think I misremembered - so Stevie's wife must be Val I suppose. Wiki doesn't mention her dying and I don't remember that being said, but Wiki clearly isn't particularly reliable!

I remember Petal/Janet. I've never liked Honey very much, but she has improved in recent years to 'tolerable'.

Janet is honeys mum and Honey re named her because of not accepting her having Downs although I think that was PND

Was Jamie a Mitchell orphan? I remember Billy was abusive towards him before Phil adopted him but I never worked out what happened to his real parents.

It seems the big secret is around the identity of Teddy’s mum I don’t think Billy will turn out to be his dad. He said to Stevie why did you tell everyone mum was just a fling, so perhaps Stevie actually married her but lord knows what he’s hiding.

Penny making lewd comments about her sex life to Jack was eughhh. Who does that with their dad!

It does seem like the mystery is around Teddy's mum - if Teddy knows the truth. He may not though, it seems like Stevie has woven a lot of tales in his life.

I agree re Penny, it was not funny.

Teddy's Mum won't be Peggy , I don't think they could weave that in.
But could it be Aunt Sal , which is why Stevie came back for her funeral but stayed hidden. (He mentioned the funeral last week)

Aunt sal was Peggy's sister wasn't she ?

I don’t think Teddy knows whatever the secret is as he said to Stevie when talking about his mum “if you’re hiding something” it will all come out. So it sounds as if he knows the identity of his mum but doesn’t know why Stevie has to keep it a secret and describe it as a fling.

Alternatively she isn’t really his mum and Stevie is concealing the mum’s real identity from him. All very confusing!

Phil still seems very mistrustful of Stevie. He’ll probably get to the bottom of it all.

Yes , she floated in and out of the Square ,and a close enough relative to really piss Phil right off .

If it was Peggy , Philth would combust and we'd all be attending Stevies wake .

I can't imagine Peggy having a secret son and Billy of all people !

Ah on the Classic Eastenders, Billy was quite a looker though when he married Little Mo you knew it would go Pete Tong as this after all was an Eastenders Wedding . He got pink indigestion medicine all down his nice shirt . .
But he was always the Mitchell Family Whipping Boy and after he hid in a shower while Jays dad ( Jase) got beaten to death , he was labelled to be a coward (though there were 2-3 blokes with weapons , I don;t think I'd have waded in either )

The Flashback episode showed a bit about the shooting of the security guard , (cannot remember all of it but Billy was implicated )

I think the secret is that Stevie had a normal family life with Teddy’s mum and Teddy and had every opportunity to go back for Billy but just never did, which would be painful for Billy.

Yes it is all v confusing!

Billy was the 'runt of the litter' (I think Phil has actually said that in the past?)

@Viewer23 Yes I suspect Billy was with Teddy's mum for a lot more than a fling, and we don't know her identity but possibly that too will upset Billy. But I don't think Stevie could have 'gone back for Billy' because by the time Teddy was born, Billy was about 20.

Oh yes that is very confusing then!

It's all too much to puzzle out!

Did Aunt Sal have any children at all? I only remember her husband speaking at the funeral. I don't see why it would have to be such a secret or mystery if she is Teddy's mum. I thought at first hang on, wasn't she related to Stevie, but she wasn't a Mitchell as she was Peggy's sister. In any case, Ben and Lola were both Mitchells and had a child together😵

It may be significant that Stevie went to Sal's funeral which is where he was initially going to approach Billy.

And there must be a reason that Phil is so angry with Stevie - almost moreso than Billy was. Phil knows something about Stevie which he hasn't yet revealed.

Wiki says Aunt Sal was married to Harold. They had two kids, Lenny and Loretta. Ooh while I was wiki-ing, look at this. Last Christmas, the month before Sal died, wiki says

"Sal sends a Christmas card to Billy and Honey and their children saying, "To Billy and the rest" which leaves Honey wondering why Sal can't be bothered to remember any of their names."

If all that's true which I really want as said if you say their name often enough something is revealed, anyway that would make Billy some sort of weird double cousin to phill!