The Traitors S2 - THE AFTERMATH

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Discuss!

I don't think there will be much issue shaking it up a bit, there are lots of elements to the game its based on that they can pull in, a 3rd faction like 'lovers' would work well and they kind of allude to that with the mother/son and previous partners set up.

I've no doubt they'll switch it up a bit next series but don't underestimate how brain frazzling it must be to be in that situation and with the same people pretty much 24 hours a day. Human socialisation is a very strong urge - people make the same mistakes again and again precisely because it is.

I don't think you can make it easier to potentially discover a traitor because the hope is that as a traitor you can go through the whole process from day one like Harry did. If there's every possibility that you'll get booted out and new traitors recruited throughout the process, it makes it less seductive to be one in the first place, as presumably traitors recruited near the end have a better chance of winning.

As Richard Osman pointed out on the excellent The Rest Is Entertainment podcast, the point is not to discover traitors, it's to survive to the end and THEN boot out the traitors if you can. It's about keeping your head down and not drawing fire for whatever reason.

There is an interesting bit about the traitors on this program.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001vsp3?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

and the Claudia interviews on Radio 2 are available too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0h7rlf0?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

I honestly don't think its easier to win as a late recruit traitor, they were basically cannon fodder in this season and last season they recruited someone who had put their all into being faithful and couldn't hack the transition.

If Paul and Harry hadn't been so popular it would have been a risk to recruit, recruit someone popular and then have them oust you to prove themselves?

I haven't seen season 1 but I don't think the format needs to change that much. Sure if they do it the same way for 20 years it will get boring - like Big Brother did. But I think with incremental change to the games and other tweaks here or there it's got more life in it yet.

I think they've done pretty well with having different outcomes last year and this - and having a couple and parental relationship as variations. What's interesting and fun is that the outcome is very dependent on the individual and collective dynamics of the group, the unique combination of characters and tactics each year. Obviously there aren't many alternative scenarios when it comes to the ending - unless there was real life violence and murder or blatant cheating - but I'm sure the BBC are absolutely delighted with the buzz and chat the series has created and the fact we are still chatting and analysing it a couple of weeks after it ended. One thing they shouldn't mess with is having ordinary people not celebs or z list influencers. Ordinary folk are much more diverse and interesting. I just don't think they need a sob story to be a worthy cash winner.

Absolutely agree @Bouledeneige

Sorry i have only just caught up on everything.

Harry just played the game, and played it well. Good for him.

Watching Uncloaked, Mollie seemed a bit traumatised & mortified. And definitely still salty about it!
She was completely used and she knows it.
I wouldn't be surprised if she has some trust issues going forward!
Felt sorry for her. She seemed uncomfortable on Uncloaked.

Also, maybe I missed it, but interesting that Harry mentioned his 'other half' a few times on Uncloaked, but never during the show, or it wasn't in the edit.
Just wonder if that was deliberate on his part.. or producers.

I also want to add, that I do think Harry got quite lucky at points too which helped him win.

It wasn't 100% strategy.

I thought it was a bit convenient that he pulled out the special sword and got another opportunity to show what a lovely trustworthy team player he is...

^Also, maybe I missed it, but interesting that Harry mentioned his 'other half' a few times on Uncloaked, but never during the show, or it wasn't in the edit.
Just wonder if that was deliberate on his part.. or producers.^

Mollie has a boyfriend, and that was also not mentioned during the show or edited out.

I don’t think many of them mentioned spouses or partners. A few mentioned their children but only briefly.
I imagine they talked about them a lot more than we heard, which you would do if chatting to people for hours on end, but it doesn’t make for very interesting TV.

For example we only know that Charlotte has a wife because it was mentioned on here.

On Australian T season 2 they have 20 in all to start with. I think it’s 22 in the UK one. I agree with PP about keeping the mini-celebs out, it makes for better dynamics if they’re interested in winning, rather than just exposure and publicity.

I’m pretty sure Charlotte mentioned it on the show!

Evie also mentioned 'the missus' when they had the dinner party and were all doing the shameless' Excuse me I think you'll find that it is I who has the best sob story about why I need the money most' bit.

I watched the USA traitors last year and it was a carbon copy of uk.

Recently I started Australia s1 and I'm really enjoying it, they are all a lot more feisty and there's a few different elements that work well. You see a lot more of the discussion both in the day and from the traitors

They filmed the US version before the UK version, so it's not a copy. Neither is a copy of the other - they had the same production company and decided to economise by filming both series more or less back to back.

A copy isn't the same thing as a carbon copy, though.
They are carbon copies, however neither is "a copy" of the other

Really late to the party, and I know people will have stopped talking about the final now, but anyway.

I was absolutely rooting for Jaz to expose Harry but I think he left it too late because at that point there wasn't anyone else he could get on his side with his theory. He was far too cautious, and maybe the outcome would have been different if he had voted Harry instead of Andrew in the penultimate banishment.

The traitor with the shield theory, should have been mentioned again and explored further once Jasmine was banished. Why wasn't it discussed?

Harry played the game and won, so he deserves his prize. I don't like him though. His victory came at a very heavy cost to Mollie, who was clearly traumatised by his betrayal. Yes, I know what the game is called, but Mollie is a young impressionable girl, who showed loyalty to her "best friend" . That's not a bad trait on her part.

They have appeared on promotional events and interviews together, but it feels very forced, and I wonder whether that's the BBC pushing a narrative that all is well between the two of them, when it's clearly not.

I hope Mollie has received counselling or some form of mental health support, because she really doesn't deserve the abuse she's been getting.

I agree with you @xsquared that the group didn't follow the next logical step with that line of reasoning. Jaz already had his suspicions and I do think he should have brought that up at the Evie banishing round table along with considering the shield play as a hoax. But as already discussed on this thread he didn't trust anyone to follow him on it.

Yes, Jaz simply didn't trust anyone enough, and the only person who would listen to him, Zack, had been eliminated.

Zack didn't listen to him on the Harry theory. He ran it by him before he Zack murdered and he laughed and dismissed it immediately.

How many times does Mollie have to say she is fine before people believe her? For her it happened months ago and on Claudia's show she made it clear that she reacted in the moment but was then fine as she knew it was a risk of the game.

Her life has had many challenges she has overcome, she has emerged positive and strong from them and yet somehow people insist that playing a game on TV would cause her to need therapy?

If she wasn't young and female I think people would have a different reaction.

Is emotional manipulation acceptable even on a TV show called "The Traitors"? Harry's apparent indifference to Mollie's distress when he revealed himself was pretty disturbing. I'm sure Mollie is fine mentally but only she knows how she really feels about someone who played with her feelings in order to win. Publicly she would have to say they're fine, what else can she do when she knew the nature of the show beforehand, although I doubt she knew how far some people would go. If the show has any redeemable qualities it's that it has given a young woman a platform to highlight the struggles of those with Inflammatory Bowel Disease, and that she has unwittingly exposed the empathy deficiencies of some humans.

Well, she's been humiliated on TV and people are judging her. It's then pain of betrayal from someone you are close to, I'm referring to that will have had a detrimental effect on her mental well being , not the playing a game.

How many times do you see people on threads being upset about a best friend or a spouse's betrayal a long time after the incident?

We don't know for certain how Mollie is feeling now privately, but is it really a stretch to suggest that she is only saying she is fine in interviews because its what she needs to say in public?

As annoyed as I was with her decision to vote Jaz out, I really don't think she has anything to be ashamed of. She's been brilliant in the challenges and is obviously a team player.

They knew each other for a couple of weeks, they both had partners and were playing a game called Traitors, everyone was being manipulative in some way, Harry was just better at it. I thought Jonny made the best comment, that Harry did as he had been trained to do, put emotion aside and complete the mission. It's been months now and Mollie herself said she soon felt fine about it after understandably being upset in the moment, even then I think a big pet was that she knew she'd not listened to her head

I thought Harry did look uncomfortable when she walked out but he was on camera and supposed to be pleased he'd won. I do think they need to think about how it ends because it was rather anticlimactic and awkward.

Mollie is in a tough profession and I think the reason they keep saying she is fine in interviews is because social media refuses to believe it, for no reason I can see.

Finished the first series of traitors Australia it's very good. Slightly better format tha the UK and USA ones