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The Traitors S2 - THE AFTERMATH

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MaggieFS · 26/01/2024 22:50

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SecondUsername4me · 28/01/2024 19:02

I think they should do;-
Traitor(s) win, they share the pot
Faithfull(s) win, they win the full 120k to share, regardless of how much they won in the challenges.

So anyone busting their gut in the challenges may well be a traitor, as their winnings is only up to 120k if they can win it.

IGotItFromAgnes · 28/01/2024 19:06

SecondUsername4me · 28/01/2024 19:02

I think they should do;-
Traitor(s) win, they share the pot
Faithfull(s) win, they win the full 120k to share, regardless of how much they won in the challenges.

So anyone busting their gut in the challenges may well be a traitor, as their winnings is only up to 120k if they can win it.

I like the idea but I’d actually have it the other way round (as otherwise the challenges would be even more boring if most can’t be arsed to do them!)

WriterOfWrongs · 28/01/2024 19:09

I won’t be surprised if at some point a mechanism to protect players from being banished as well as murdered is introduced.

The shields being won in challenges, rather than by luck in the armoury, upped the stakes in the missions this season. Very Survivor-like where winning challenges guarantees immunity.

Flamme · 28/01/2024 19:11

Turkeyhen · 28/01/2024 10:48

I always wonder if their handwriting could give them away in this scenario - but I guess the traitor would be at pains to write plainly and not misspell the name.

But how would they recognise each other's handwriting? It's not as if they're writing letters to each other. The most writing they ever get to see is what's on the chalk slates, which is usually capital letters

ChatBFP · 28/01/2024 19:52

Bit late, but this is my take...

Harry played mega well. But Molly, Evie and Andrew played a game with massive logical errors - given Andrew was a traitor and knew who knew what, his failure to plan ahead let him down very badly and this was the massive difference between him and Harry. Evie also needed to plan ahead - as soon as she banished faithful jasmine, she basically crumbled knowing she might go next rather than thinking about the evidence she had to save herself - Evie relied on her social skills up to this point, so I think she prematurely gave up knowing how people would feel at the banishment without stepping back. It's hard in the moment, but Evie and Andrew did have time to prepare overnight.

Obviously Molly made a massive logical error - heart over head really, as she should have known that Jaz would not want a vote again if he was a traitor, so the odds were that Harry was the traitor if anyone was. Molly tried to be kind and loyal above good game play and she knew that she was doing that at the time, which is sweet and understandable for someone who hasn't had the chance to acquire a bit more experience (Mollie is young, plus has been either very unwell or a model, compared to the army training that Harry has had to put strategy above feelings - anyone who is screaming that this means he is a terrible person needs to understand that this is literally what the military train people to do).

That said, the person who had it in his hands to change the game and didn't was Andrew. He realised with 4 to go that it was him or Harry, because there had to be a traitor left and the faithful had to catch one for the game to end, and that really was one round too late. When Jaz piped up at the round table of 5, he wasn't mega convincing, but he was tentatively putting feelers out, looking around basically thinking "who is coming with me" and no one came with him so he stopped and became matey with Harry.

If, instead, when Jas spoke, Andrew had said "I agree with Jas. Also, if anyone desperately wanted to murder Harry, then why did Zac get killed last night? we banished Jasmine for nothing yesterday. I think Evie is faithful too and there is no point banishing her tonight, so the only person who stands to gain from the idea that the traitors tried to kill Harry was Harry and he must be the traitor", then he, Jas and Evie would have voted Harry out and Harry would have gone. Andrew might still have been voted out, given that he nailed a traitor, but he was guaranteed to go out anyway. He didn't realise this until far too late with the four players there.

Alchemistress · 28/01/2024 19:54

Just thinking aloud - I wonder if next series if a traitor is recruited but turns it down, they are bound by the rules to not mention it - so a lack of murder means people know a recruitment was attempted - but not if it was successful or not.

The traitors would then not have to be in a position to automatically feel they have to murder the failed recruitment. Because I think it's unfair that through no fault of their own, a faithful who rejects a summons pretty much knows they have to accept being g a traitor whether they want to or not for fear of being murdered.

squirrelnutkin23 · 28/01/2024 21:23

Just watched the final although annoyingly had seen spoilers so knew Harry won. As pp said, he played well but I think the faithfuls were shocking and ignored logic. Why would Jaz choose to vote again if he were a traitor? Why didn't Jaz vote Harry in the first round with Andrew? It was the only way to get him out. At one point (even though I knew the result) I still thought omg Jaz and molly could win here. But she was so naive and Jaz was so tentative in his accusations of Harry I don't think either of them deserved it really.

Found the winning scenes very anti climatic and wasn't particularly happy for Harry. Last years finale was definitely more satisfying to watch - maybe because they played so much better.

MadCatLady27 · 28/01/2024 23:04

Started one of the international series, let's just say the women most definitely aren't meek and flying under the radar!

Bit less sheep like as a group too

LivingDeadGirlUK · 28/01/2024 23:07

I enjoyed this series and am sad Jas left it too late to really pursue the Harry angle.

Harry did show himself up when he went so hard on Paul, but it was totally forgotten. I'm also dissapointed not even Jas picked up on the shield trick being dodgy after both Jasmin and Evie were faithful.

Saying that I think Harry played a blinder and having Mollie with him was a great strategy.

Must say I do think the differences from traditional Wesrwolf are going to nake it quite stale in a few seasons. In the traditional game you still win with your faction even if you die, it lets people be more loyal to their faction and less worried about self preservation.

Final thought, its really uncomfortable watching the ND people get picked on, I don't know how to solve that but they wasted a lot of banishments on 'bad feelings'.

brassbells · 28/01/2024 23:32

Alchemistress · 28/01/2024 19:54

Just thinking aloud - I wonder if next series if a traitor is recruited but turns it down, they are bound by the rules to not mention it - so a lack of murder means people know a recruitment was attempted - but not if it was successful or not.

The traitors would then not have to be in a position to automatically feel they have to murder the failed recruitment. Because I think it's unfair that through no fault of their own, a faithful who rejects a summons pretty much knows they have to accept being g a traitor whether they want to or not for fear of being murdered.

I have watched all of the international ones available to UK audience and iirc in one of them, but sorry can't remember which one, a traitor recruit did turn it down BUT sorry I can't remember if they were murdered instead

Turkeyhen · 28/01/2024 23:49

@ChatBFP Good analysis. I expected Evie at least try to come up with a strategy to save her skin, but as you say she just gave up! I fully expected Harry to get voted out first by Jaz, Evie, and Andrew as an alliance and it was so disappointing that they made zero effort to put their heads together. The day before, Andrew was putting feelers out to Jaz and Evie about Harry, so why on earth they didn't think that through overnight I'll never know. I guess by that stage they were all knackered and buckling under the pressure of it all?

Anyway, in light of all that, Harry fully deserved his win for outdoing everyone on strategy. I kind of wish he had murdered Mollie instead of Zack to avoid the awfulness of that final moment, but that would have made no sense strategically. It was high drama for us, his victory was deserved, but it ultimately felt kinda joyless.

I so wish the Diane vengeance storyline had played out more dramatically (the fact it was a damp squib proves it's not the fix some claim it to be - Ross taking Harry down would have been unbelievably dramatic and satisfying), and I wish to god that the final had played out differently with a Jaz/Andrew/Evie alliance. But it was still brilliant telly!

lizzowhiz · 29/01/2024 07:17

Yes, Evie was disappointingly passive. Jaz had already had suspicions about Harry for most of the game so if Evie had picked up on what Andrew was saying earlier it would have given all 3 of them confidence to form an alliance against Harry.

I kind of wish Mollie had gone earlier too: she didn't add much at all to the game. If it had turned out she'd been playing the passive role to fly under the radar and had been building the 'friendship' with Harry as a strategic move and then had voted against him when it was blindingly obvious that was the right move, we'd all be saying she'd played a blinder. But disappointingly she really just wasn't much good at the game. She got to the final kind of by default by remaining passive and then blew her chance of winning.

Future series will definitely need to adapt and keep things fresh but I could see several more series working well if they do that. Eg: make it a fairer chance between faithfuls and traitors; introduce a way of giving recruited traitors some temporary protection; making a rule that everyone must speak at round table. Lots of possibilities.

AnImaginaryCat · 29/01/2024 07:20

LivingDeadGirlUK · 28/01/2024 23:07

I enjoyed this series and am sad Jas left it too late to really pursue the Harry angle.

Harry did show himself up when he went so hard on Paul, but it was totally forgotten. I'm also dissapointed not even Jas picked up on the shield trick being dodgy after both Jasmin and Evie were faithful.

Saying that I think Harry played a blinder and having Mollie with him was a great strategy.

Must say I do think the differences from traditional Wesrwolf are going to nake it quite stale in a few seasons. In the traditional game you still win with your faction even if you die, it lets people be more loyal to their faction and less worried about self preservation.

Final thought, its really uncomfortable watching the ND people get picked on, I don't know how to solve that but they wasted a lot of banishments on 'bad feelings'.

Am I remembering wrong? Was Jaz was one of the people that Ross made his "suggestion" to that there might have actually been a recruitment and not that there was an attempted murder on Harry. (Along with Evie.)

Or was it Zack and Evie?

LivingDeadGirlUK · 29/01/2024 10:32

AnImaginaryCat · 29/01/2024 07:20

Am I remembering wrong? Was Jaz was one of the people that Ross made his "suggestion" to that there might have actually been a recruitment and not that there was an attempted murder on Harry. (Along with Evie.)

Or was it Zack and Evie?

Ohh I forgot that bit but also can't remember who it was.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 29/01/2024 10:35

Turkeyhen · 28/01/2024 23:49

@ChatBFP Good analysis. I expected Evie at least try to come up with a strategy to save her skin, but as you say she just gave up! I fully expected Harry to get voted out first by Jaz, Evie, and Andrew as an alliance and it was so disappointing that they made zero effort to put their heads together. The day before, Andrew was putting feelers out to Jaz and Evie about Harry, so why on earth they didn't think that through overnight I'll never know. I guess by that stage they were all knackered and buckling under the pressure of it all?

Anyway, in light of all that, Harry fully deserved his win for outdoing everyone on strategy. I kind of wish he had murdered Mollie instead of Zack to avoid the awfulness of that final moment, but that would have made no sense strategically. It was high drama for us, his victory was deserved, but it ultimately felt kinda joyless.

I so wish the Diane vengeance storyline had played out more dramatically (the fact it was a damp squib proves it's not the fix some claim it to be - Ross taking Harry down would have been unbelievably dramatic and satisfying), and I wish to god that the final had played out differently with a Jaz/Andrew/Evie alliance. But it was still brilliant telly!

If he had left Zach alive I think Zach would have immediately formed the theory that Harry was bluffing with the shield once Jasmin and Evie were both Faithful, would have been interesting!

But it just suited Harry much more to go into the final with an ally than people who could turn on him.

noblegiraffe · 29/01/2024 11:18

Zack was unpredictable, he could take against anyone.

Jaz was good at identifying traitors but bad at getting them out.

Zack was bad at identifying traitors (when he did it was by accident, not for his stated reasoning), but he was good at getting people out. Even after he was murdered people were still using his theory to banish (faithful).

Keeping Zack in was too risky.

Bouledeneige · 29/01/2024 11:29

I would quite like to see a summary of voting history per person to see how right or wrong faithfuls were (and how ruthless traitors were!).

Surely it exists somewhere out there in the geek web?

IGotItFromAgnes · 29/01/2024 11:35

Bouledeneige · 29/01/2024 11:29

I would quite like to see a summary of voting history per person to see how right or wrong faithfuls were (and how ruthless traitors were!).

Surely it exists somewhere out there in the geek web?

It’s towards the bottom of this page

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Traitors_(British_series_2)

Turkeyhen · 29/01/2024 11:55

noblegiraffe · 29/01/2024 11:18

Zack was unpredictable, he could take against anyone.

Jaz was good at identifying traitors but bad at getting them out.

Zack was bad at identifying traitors (when he did it was by accident, not for his stated reasoning), but he was good at getting people out. Even after he was murdered people were still using his theory to banish (faithful).

Keeping Zack in was too risky.

Absolutely, it would have been a bad move to leave Zack in. I was just speculating that if Mollie had been murdered instead it would've saved her from that awful moment at the end. Harry never allowed emotion to cloud his judgement.

ScribblingPixie · 29/01/2024 12:37

I was just speculating that if Mollie had been murdered instead it would've saved her from that awful moment at the end. Harry never allowed emotion to cloud his judgement.

He cried when he voted out Johnny, but said (to camera) that perhaps it was better to get him out early so it wasn't even worse. Tough game!

beachcitygirl · 29/01/2024 12:42

Loved it, loved it, loved it. Delighted Harry won.

What a lot of people (including Millie) seemed to forget - it's a game.

It's a game.

He played the best game and deserved the win & provided us with brilliant tv ! Bravo ! And Claudia is a tip top host

MaggieFS · 29/01/2024 12:44

Crikey, Mille has joined Barry and Ashley now!

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IGotItFromAgnes · 29/01/2024 12:45

TBF Millie is possibly autocorrect. Mine keeps changing Mollie to Millie if I don’t notice.

kenyaswhiterefrigerator · 29/01/2024 13:35

On the reddit thread someone pointed out Zach was good at identifying Traitors because he trusted nobody but because he trusted nobody he didn't form any alliances and failed to get them out

Turkeyhen · 29/01/2024 13:44

kenyaswhiterefrigerator · 29/01/2024 13:35

On the reddit thread someone pointed out Zach was good at identifying Traitors because he trusted nobody but because he trusted nobody he didn't form any alliances and failed to get them out

That sounds more like Jaz than Zack?

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