Traitors UK S2 Thread 5 - “Another man? Just like olden times”

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Welcome Faithfuls!

This thread is for Traitors UK S2. Posting at TV pace so if you are not fully up to date then beware of possible spoilers.

Hang up your cloak, and pull up a chair at thr Roubd Table.

Who would like to start?

I think what Harry would say is that he was running it like an experiment. He can say he was sure that he would be the next target for the traitors, so he split the other players into two groups - Group A that knew he had a shield, and Group B that didn’t.

if someone else got murdered that night it would suggest that Group A has one or more traitors, because it was only the fact that a traitor knew about Harry’s shield that saved Harry from murder.

Because no one is getting murdered, Harry can say that the traitors must ALL be in Group B - because he can spin the story that the traitors tried to kill him and failed so they obviously didn’t know about his shield.

That rules out Group A - Mollie, Jaz and Zach - having any traitors in it. They all knew he had a shield so wouldn’t have wanted to waste a murder.

He doesn’t need to have trusted the members of Group A when he told them about his shield, because they were all being “tested”.

I think he is going to try to create mutual trust within Group A and get them all focussing their suspicions onto Group B.

if it works that would buy him time for someone in Group B to be banished (Jasmine?), and then probably someone in Group A would be murdered the following night (Jaz or Zach, keeping to the narrative that the traitors are all in Group B).

I hope that’s what he is thinking as I’d like to see it play out! Still lots that can go wrong, and the other traitors may be the threat he is underestimating.

I think I've finally put my finger on one of the reasons I wasn't so keen on that episode... yes it's edited (and as I said on the previous thread, I don't mind that, because it makes for good tele and doesn't manipulate the outcome, because it isn't a public vote), but I think there showed us a lot of chats which then didn't come to anything at the round table. So rather than building suspense, it felt a bit clunky. Perhaps those chats will prove significant in future episodes, but it didn't flow smoothly for me.

I agree with this.

I felt that Paul was playing a character, whereas I've seen quite a bit of Harry which seems to be more the true personality that I'm less keen on.

That said, he is certainly working for the win and would be deserving. I would, just prefer Jaz. I think he's also been working at it, but can't get the cut through.

I think in there, with it being so high pressured, especially when the group is so small, having someone acknowledge that they are sure you are faithful might just make you relieved rather than suspicious and happy that they are unlikely to vote for you.

Failing that Harry could just say that he was suspicious of Zak/Jaz and wanted to test to see whether someone else would be killed that night because he had shown them the shield.

I do however think that he is overplaying his hand and will go soon.

This is spot on. Harry is a wrong'un and I hope Andrew and Ross turn on him, preferably when he's tantalisingly close to winning.

I'm glad you find animal welfare so hilarious.

Why do you think Harry knows Jaz is onto him?

I don't remember any suspicions that Jaz has about Harry being mentioned to anyone apart from Zack and Evie, who haven't said anything.

I don't think Harry sees Jaz as a threat. To Harry's knowledge, Jaz is quiet, not particularly popular and not great at the game. We know differently.

I want Jaz to win!

I think that the WhatsApp group had come about since filming. It certainly wouldn’t be before or during.

Don't think anyone is getting het up about it. It's just being discussed by thought by those of us capable of accepting unconscious biases exists.

Yes he's playing the game but his use of language portrays how his thinks of those that were fodder for his "traitory ways".

Not any more, but in the first few episodes where you get to work out who everyone is, they had barely any air time. Once they actually started to be visible, it's easy. And unbrushed, half brushed and insta ready was a helpful guide 😂

Also bear in mind that both the other traitors are in Group B. He’s probably going to try to get Ross banished rather than Jasmine?

True @MaggieFS - it is harder to remember who's who at the beginning.

Yes, I listen to WHAT they say, not what accent they say it in! I found them almost indistinguishable at first, now just fairly difficult to tell apart!

Certainly in this chat (previous threads), confusing the blondes stemmed from an early round table where someone said the name "Evie", and it seemed most of us on the thread simultaneously all shouted "who?" at our TVs.

Yes that’s what I meant, so the relationship doesn’t come out in the show.

@QueenOfThorns that is fascinating to me, it wouldn't occur to me not to notice someone's accent if you see what I mean, I'm fascinated by accents!

I always saw a face, but it's not Claudia's. It's just a face

Are we talking about this? That's not Claudia, it's just a face. I've always loved it as the logo.

If I was listening to someone talking for a long time, it would gradually seep into my consciousness that they had an accent. And even then, I might not be able to work out what their accent was unless I could relate it to someone else with a known accent, if you see what I mean? So, I might think that someone talks a bit like Cheryl Cole and then be able to place them as being from the north-east, for example. I’m not sure that this is normal, more likely that I’m a dunce where accents are concerned!

I would think that they’ve just been forbidden to talk about certain topics. So, who wins in the end will certainly come out on the show, but I doubt that they’ve been allowed to reveal it to anyone who was kicked out before the last episode.

Diane was asking on uncloaked how she thinks Ross would have felt about it, and she was very unconcerned. A lot of family members are actors, so she said "oh my son was blown up in a programme the other, this happened to my daughter / son in law"
Essentially saying that they know it's all pretend!

Yes, like the cabin in the woods

It's always looked like Claudia to me too

Even Charlie agreed that her and Evie looked alike.
I’m a teacher and often when you get a new class some of those 30 children blur. You know all the children but you do confuse some in the early days, especially boys as they tend to have the same hair cut.
It’s the same here. Especially when Mollie, Charlie and Evie got very little airtime.

If Ross gets banished, is he able to say he's a recruited traitor, or just a traitor?