Traitors UK S2 Thread 5 - “Another man? Just like olden times”

[CaveMum]

Welcome Faithfuls!

This thread is for Traitors UK S2. Posting at TV pace so if you are not fully up to date then beware of possible spoilers.

Hang up your cloak, and pull up a chair at thr Roubd Table.

Who would like to start?

I haven't read whole thread but does anyone think producers refilled Diane taking that drink?

If the Faithfuls manage to get rid of a Traitor in the early days, the Traitor just gets replaced anyway!

So there isn't really any motivation to get rid of Traitors, instead of Faithfuls, in fact, you're more likely to identify Traitors the longer they stay in the game – i.e. the same people remain Traitors throughout.

Strategically, I think I just get rid of the people that pissed me off the most, then you'd have a nice time, at least! Then right at the end, when you know who the traitors are, in all likelihood, because they haven't changed, you can then knock them out – Bosh!

I thought Jaz came across really well when he was talking about his own life and his difficulties with his father etc. He seemed very warm and personable. So it's possible that he isn't always as closed off as he can sometimes seem on camera.

Real life Cluedo sounds fantastic!

I'm so pleased he's still in. He's definitely one of my favourites. I so hope he and Ross can collude to get Harry out. I hope then that Andrew and Ross don't recruit again. I think last minute recruitments don't tend to work, as the new recruits are so used to being faithfuls.
I want team faithful to win again. I know I could never be a traitor, so I feel like the faithfuls are my team!

I think if Jaz is on the more introverted end of the scale he will have found himself becoming more and more comfortable (socially) as the size of the group has dwindled. I would guess he may be speaking up more frequently in group situations Now rather than letting other, more extroverted people do much more of the talking - so his influence on the group may grow (making him more dangerous to the traitors now).

"We've played Werewolves loads, the kids love it but you do need someone to be the narrator."

Nooooo! Get the app! You select which cards you are playing with and off it goes. It's a spooky voice as well

New to the thread but a hooked traitors fan. Also a Jaz fan! I don't think Jaz is unlikeable if he was why do so many on here like him? I think he's just not that influential mainly as he's just not that confident, he doesn't push his opinions, he's almost too cautious to. He had suspected Paul a while back but never voted for him until he realised that others were going to do so. He just does not have any confidence in his own judgment.

I could not stand Paul, he was way too cocky and arrogant and now Harry is following in the same way. Really hoping Andrew and Ross screw him over. I like Andrew but not such a big fan of Ross, I find him a bit dim and dull.

I also really liked Miles and Charlie so was quite gutted when they left. I really wish Paul had done the poisoning! I like Jasmine out of the remaining girls. Molly is totally blinded sided by Harry and Evie is just there but never really doing much.

Also like Zach. Think he's quite misunderstood in there! But I can equally see how he could be incredibly annoying 24/7!

Early On Zack was overlooked when he suggested that a non-shield winner should be in the group outside the castle, able to win a shield. Unfortunately, this reasonable suggestion was overlooked. So he showed himself to be a team player (and probably a good political advisor) but his voice wasn’t being heard in a large group setting, as it was then.

@Orangebadger I don’t think Jaz lacks confidence in his opinions, his holding back has been strategic - no point in going for the person he suspects unless there’s a reasonable chance that others will vote with him. I really like his quiet confidence!

I loved Miles and Charlie too. Miles was my favourite traitor by far. Actually Ash seemed like a lovely person, but would possibly have been a better faithful.
Charlie doing her bit for Bristol! Loved it! I'm not from Bristol, but did grow up in the west country, so I had a bias! I was sad when they both left for sure...

He had suspected Paul a while back but never voted for him until he realised that others were going to do so. He just does not have any confidence in his own judgment

He does have confidence. He’s a really strategic player. He knew he couldn’t say Paul until the others players also cottoned on to Paul. He knew he would just be losing his own vote (ie his vote would be useless as nobody else would vote Paul) and he’d draw attention to himself from the traitors.

He’s aware the ppl who jump on the bandwagons is Evie, Charlie, Mollie are more easily influenced and he’s tried to place himself as one of them and appear unthreatening to the traitors until the time comes when others will listen to him. I find him fascinating and he’s played it well.

I am not sure not voting for Paul is a strategic move. Often the players who are onto a specific traitor are not murdered as it becomes too obvious if they go, especially in the middle of the game.

It may be more strategic to be less gobby though as it's certainly true the more outspoken players are got rid of!

I really like him, but he does not come across as quietly confident to me like say Andrew does.

The Rest is Entertainment have dropped a bonus Traitors podcast, to keep the discussion off the main feed. Only 10 minutes, but very good!

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-entertainment/id1718287198?i=1000642568032

I really like him, but he does not come across as quietly confident to me like say Andrew does

It’s so interesting how people perceive others so differently. Andrew, to me, comes across as anything but confident . He’s so frightened of being sacrificed by Harry and doesn’t seem to know how to play it now. He’s completely at a loss how to continue.

We all see people so differently. It’s fascinating.

Sorry, the podcast is 17 mins not 10.

FINALLY caught up with the threads! Thanks all for the entertainment!

My hunches for this week:

Harry will go! He was under the radar because he was playing loveable but dim. Now that he's outed himself as far too clever - including his paranormal knowledge of what Traitors were told about the dungeon (did anyone else hear Jaz in the snooker room saying "Almost a psychic!" or something?) - Harry has well and truly blown his cover.
It was a massive mistake - there was enough rope to hang Paul with without going into that level of detail...
And Jaz saying "It was all you Harry" when Jaz had done loads to get Paul out, and Charlotte started the pile-on - I think Jaz was being strategic, highlighting to the group that Harry has gone from nice-but-dim to Traitor-killer - which is suspicious as hell!

[Love Jaz! He has truly played a blinder, kept his cleverness off the radar just enough to survive... There was always someone whose death advantaged the Traitors more! He'd be a fitting winner for sure but there's 3 more to kill off/banish before the final - I'm not convinced he'll make it but would LOVE it if he did!]

I think Evie IS DEFINITELY Tracey's daughter and I wonder if that will be revealed somehow at an interesting moment... I clocked them both being Inverness and looking very similar, but OF COURSE it's the only way that weird question in the funeral episode makes sense - and it's why they got it wrong, because Evie was throwing dirt in their eyes saying Diane!! It may turn out not to be much or it might be really juicy, but I am 100% sure it's true! (and I'm a faithful - mwah hah hah)

I think Andrew has done REALLY WELL as a late recruit - the group like/ trust/ underestimate him in a perfect combo - he's not given himself away with guilty behaviour like Kieron did, and he caught on to "they're going to throw me under the bus" strategy immediately - I think he's very clever underneath his "Hulk smash" exterior. It might be enough for him to win!

It'll be interesting to see how Ross does. I suspect he's smart enough to get Harry out (avenging his motherrrrr!) but not smart enough to win... He's confident but just fundamentally wrong a lot of the time! But maybe the cheeky wink in the car will prove me wrong on that - he might be better at the Traitor role than as a Faithful - let's see.

[FWIW I think that Harry IS a massive misogynist slimeball - remember the creepy lip-licking when he got the shoulder tap? Diane being "put in her place" is nasty IMHO, though I appreciate that some don't mind it! I'm hoping he gets banished before the final because although he's lied for longest I find him less likeable than Paul, who was doing panto-villain schtick - less objectionable to me than Harry's genuine unpleasantness!]

Left standing we have:
Traitors Harry, Andrew, Ross
Faithfuls Jaz, Jasmine, Mollie, Zach, Evie
3 to go before the final 5, and my guess would be
Banished:
Jasmine, Harry
Murdered:
Jaz? Or Zach? Or Evie if they keep up the women-only streak!

I'm guessing Molly, Andrew and Ross will make it to the final 5, along with 2 of Jaz/ Zach/ Evie, and it'll be a Traitor win!

Bring it on...

I don't think Jaz is unlikeable if he was why do so many on here like him?

Because we see how smart he is and we don't have a relationship with him. But he deliberately withheld his suspicions for a while because he reasoned, probably rightly, that if he let on while the Traitors still had so much support, he'd get whacked one way or another. He knew Paul was a Traitor but he also knew that to go against the king bee like that would have him done.

Within the game, it's very hard to withhold so much yet still be likeable. That doesn't mean people actively dislike him, more that they just don't find him so easy to warm to.

I think Evie IS DEFINITELY Tracey's daughter and I wonder if that will be revealed somehow at an interesting moment... I clocked them both being Inverness and looking very similar, but OF COURSE it's the only way that weird question in the funeral episode makes sense - and it's why they got it wrong, because Evie was throwing dirt in their eyes saying Diane!! It may turn out not to be much or it might be really juicy, but I am 100% sure it's true! (and I'm a faithful - mwah hah hah)

I completely agree with this. There was absolutely no other reason for that question, plus it was a totally different style to all the other questions that were asked.

I think Andrew has done REALLY WELL as a late recruit - the group like/ trust/ underestimate him in a perfect combo - he's not given himself away with guilty behaviour like Kieron did, and he caught on to "they're going to throw me under the bus" strategy immediately - I think he's very clever underneath his "Hulk smash" exterior. It might be enough for him to win!

Also this. Just to note - Andrew is the only contestant that I can remember having heard refer to things that happened in series 1 on camera. I have a feeling that he’s studied it closely, which is why he was so quick to realise that he’d been recruited as a scapegoat for the traitors.

I see what you mean and it's a line the faithfuls have to tread for sure - I think Jaz protected himself from being an obvious murder victim by sharing his suspicions about Paul with selected faithfuls (which got back to Paul, of course), but held back at the banishments until he could be reasonably sure that others would vote with him. I also think that when he shared his personal story about his dad with the group, that was strategic. It helped to explain his reserved demeanour and allowed the group to empathise and bond with him.

Thank you @CaveMum for the heads up about the podcast 💐

I think the Tracey/Evie theory is plausible, but Im not sure what impact it has on the game now. What would be the point?

I still think that random question in the funeral task was so that it appeared as if the ending wasn't planned.

That is, all the previous questions had logical and obvious answers. So there was no element of chance. It was engineered so that by the time they got to the Tracey question they had their final planned 3 for the coffins. Tracey's question was unanswerable logically and could not be proved (none of the remaining 3 would have been the answer).

This is so that there were still 3 for the coffins.

(Edited to add: that the only way that worldly goods question would have been fun is if we already knew Tracey was Evie's mum and we would all be shouting at the TV and Evie would be in the awkward position of should-she or shouldn't she reveal.... No point if we don't know. So I think they would have revealed that fact before this task).

Yes … If Tracy and Evie were related the producers would surely have revealed it before now? Last minute revelations would feel a bit unsatisfactory.

Oh we really liked the board game but you only get 6 games out of it really due to the nature of the way you play it.

I'm just wondering if there's going to be a task during which they are told some players are related and they have to guess - that they will lose money if people don't come clean finally?

I think Evie is clever and is a shoe-in for the final - so the programme makers might well start to squeeze her and Ross a bit more before they coast to the end!!

But just my hunch, obviously :)