Traitors UK S2 Thread 5 - “Another man? Just like olden times”

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Welcome Faithfuls!

This thread is for Traitors UK S2. Posting at TV pace so if you are not fully up to date then beware of possible spoilers.

Hang up your cloak, and pull up a chair at thr Roubd Table.

Who would like to start?

Oh me too. I'm said it a few times on these threads - I absolutely loved it!!

Saw it as in no way different to the way Wilf shafted over his other traitors. I was so happy Wilf didn't win - he was such an irritant; all that screaming and leaping about, and desperate sobbing and head clutching.

Agree RE Kieron. I was a fan and think it was the perfect move. Such great television.

I don't see what Kieran did wrong. It would be no different to saying, "Wilf's got a very good idea of who the traitors are, why's that?" He used insinuation and the game is nothing without that.

I loved the poetic justice. Turn on everyone and you'll have no support when you need it.

I don't know why people think Andrew is slow. He hasn't said anything stupid and as soon as he saw who the Traitors were, he knew why he'd been picked and not to trust them. And after playing a Faithful all this time, you can't blame him for needing a little time to switch mental gears and all his alliances.

I think you can say that in the discussion but not after the vote. If I remember rightly, wilf voting Kieron was a surprise so Kieron didn’t have the opportunity to defend himself.

I think it is because he isnt a big billy-balls mouthy guy, he actually seems lovely and thinks before he speaks. I agree, he knew EXACTLY why he was picked, straight away!

slight crush maybe 😍

It was a carbon copy of the uk one. Even same tasks. Contestants were more devious but it wasn't as good imo.

There was a similar American show called The Mole that was quite good.

They had it where the mole had to try to lose money for the team. It would be interesting if the traitors kept the lost money ((if they win)

Obviously it's not live but is the traitors still filming or is it filmed in advance?

His only recourse at that was to insinuate, which is what he did. Wilf should never have been allowed to recruit at such a late stage, that was really unfair - especially a forced recruitment. If Kieran had allowed himself to be murdered, that should have done it because it would have proved that there was still a Traitor in the game, but you can't blame him for wanting to stay in...and Hannah and Meryl were playing like such puddings, I wonder if they'd have clocked it even then!

I remember wilf and Kieron meeting, did Kieron agree to be a traitor or decline?

I think what Kieron did was more than imply. He basically said "it's wilf "

He was given the choice of joining or being murdered, so he joined.

I don't think he did any more than imply that Wilf was going after the Traitors because he knew who they were. Harry's done the same thing this season, but he wasn't forcibly recruited at the last moment so he was able to do it at better times and without being forced into a blindside.

Wilf shouldn't have been allowed to recruit that late, especially forcibly. If he didn't want to be the last Traitor then he shouldn't have screwed over Amanda. It would be poetic justice. Fine, betray all your allies, but here are the consequences of being alone...

I also don't agree with the Andrew being slow narrative, but he did seem a bit befuddled at his first breakfast as a Traitor. I think he'll get the hang of it very quickly.

In other news, I've just got my Apple screen time report for last week and it's appalling. Far too much time spent on this, Uncloaked and so on. Thank goodness it ends this week 🙃

I think the gestures were a bit much from Kieron and crossed the line. But saying "how do you know I am a traitor" and the "parting gift" was ok in my book actually - wilf's name had to be on the board.

@NonPlayerCharacter was wilf forced to recruit? It looked from the cut as if Claudia suggested it to a will who was struggling with the emotion of cutting Amanda and he embraced it willingly. What if he hadn't?

Poetic justice. Absolutely. The way he turned on Alyssa and Amanda was low. They were better traitors. Neither were suspected for ages, and they had his back and covered for him loads. He used them and ditched them at will. He didn't deserve to win.
Yay Kieron! My favourites left early on though. I loved Ivan.
Really hope Kaz and Zach stay till the end this year. My two favourites I think.

Wilf wasn't forced to recruit but he was given the option, and he could murder that person if they refused. He recruited Kieran to use him as a decoy so the others would think they'd got
the last Traitor (and he realised that after two female Traitors were found, they'd be looking for a man).

On the one hand, yes, a smart move, but I really felt that it was unfair to be able to do that on the last day. Kieran should really have sacrificed himself to prove that there was still a Traitor in the game who wasn't him, but the murder threat was designed to almost force him to join and you can't blame him for wanting to at least try.

@NonPlayerCharacter

Oh yes, I agree with this.

So what you are saying is that it was unfair for the game and/or Kieron rather than on Will to have this selection so late on?

I agree with this - there wasn't much time for Kieron to actually have any influence on the game as a traitor that late on and so he was put in a position which he was staying in not as a player but as a stepping stone to victory for Will. Once he worked that out, he was justifiably a bit pissed off. You obviously cannot dictate the game as a faithful, but those faithfuls that remained had some power and the only person who was powerless was Kieron.

I am really enjoying this series, but I think that the poisoned chalice thing was really unfair on Miles - it was just far too obvious and that wasn't actually his fault at all. He was put at a massive disadvantage that was nothing to do with his game play.

Kieron was put in a pretty impossible position - become a traitor or be murdered. It wasn't possible murder; it was definite. He didn't want either option, but the former was probably slightly preferable to the latter.
I think he hated it, as Will wanted to murder Andrea, and he clearly felt very uncomfortable with that. But, as the latest recruit probably felt powerless to argue much. Will used him, and I think that was the last straw for him. Still a faithful at heart, he did the last thing he could - an avenger!

@ChatBFP I totally agree about Miles. He'd not once had his name in chalk before then. Very unfair. I wish he hadn't volunteered to deliver the drink tbh. Wish it had been Paul. But, c'est la vie.
I'm totally rooting for the faithfuls; but if a traitor has to win, I hope it's either or both of the newer recruits. I liked Harry at first, but really didn't like the way he said Diane needed to be put in her place. I know he's young, so I make allowances, but even so, that was a bit disturbing. So I hope others soon see what Jaz sees, and Ross is now on hand to help!

So what you are saying is that it was unfair for the game and/or Kieron rather than on Will to have this selection so late on?

Yes, unfair on Kieran and unfair on the Faithfuls.

If they refuse, there's no murder that night. I'm sure in series 1 (or some other series) there was someone who refused and they went in the next morning saying the traitors had tried to recruit etc.

If you refuse, will you definitely be murdered the next night? Everyone "knows" you're a faithful (i don't know if you're allowed to keep the letter as proof?)

I 100% agree with this. Having had a quick Google re his accident and recovery, the strength and determination he would have needed to overcome his injuries, I think we are underestimating his abilities and doing him a great injustice.

yes - and he was very convincing asking "recruitment? what does that mean then?"

With Kieron it was different. You're thinking of Alex. True, she was murdered the following night, without warning. But with Kieron it was a direct choice to either become a traitor that night, or be murdered that night. If he hadn't become a traitor, he'd not have survived the night. No real choice.

ah, yes - because they couldn't have him refuse and there only be 1 traitor, if the last traitor got banished, there'd be no 'peril' for the viewer - no tension etc - So they absolutely need a traitor in the end game to make good TV?

I'm worried about how obsessed I've become with Traitors! I'm not normally a telly addict at all. Didn't have a telly for years. But, Traitors is addictive. So glad to be able to indulge my guilty pleasure here! 🤭