The Traitors S2 Thread 4 "you wee shit"

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Carry On Faithfuls

@commonground part if the traitors code is not revealing the other traitors so it must be hard to walk the line between defending yourself and not obviously implicating another traitor.

Harry’s jubilation last night was because Paul had been the self-appointed ‘leader’ of the traitors & had been previously voted the most popular in there. He was never going to be a straightforward opponent to get out but Harry put the knife in so blatantly it must raise suspicions. Jaz & Zack will definitely remember Harry disclosing a confidential comment to Paul. Tonight is going to be brilliant!

I think that was why Ross stood by Paul, as he was so grateful to him for avenging his mum’s murder in unrooting / naming Miles.

Agree that Ross’s defence of Paul makes him look gullible rather than traitorous. I wonder if he’ll be able to capitalise on that.

if I were Harry I might have been inclined to murder Jaz last night, on the basis that Jaz was hugging him and seemed so pleased that he got Paul that it would seem an unlikely move. But…it is probably right to look at people who are getting away with flying too much under the radar, they are Clyne coming more of a threat

I think Paul sees it for what it is a game. I don't think he is vindictive.

I'd like Harry to win but I fear he is too cocky

I loved last night’s episode, definitely the most on edge I’ve been all series - I could hardly watch Harry going for Paul. But I did feel it was heavily edited and produced- I got a real feeling there was a lot we weren’t shown, so it’s hard to predict how it will play out for Harry.

My mind keeps going back to that bit in the first series where Alyssa got banished and it seemed like Wilf had just turned on her but in interviews afterwards it turned out she’d given herself away with an off-camera/edited out blunder! Sometimes there are crucial elements the viewer isn't shown.

So glad Paul is out! Couldn’t stand him.
I think Andrew didn’t have much of a choice really - if he refused to be a traitor they probably would have murdered him anyway so at least he’s still in the game this way!

Would really like Andrew to win tbh - as he seems like such a lovely genuine guy and also a fellow Welshie 😜

Last year, Alex refused, told the others in the morning that she refused, and then got murdered that night – it was a sort of warning that if you refuses we will murder you, but I don’t think there’s any rule that refusal means automatic murder. Though why the producers didn’t clarify that to poor Andrew isn’t clear.
I think they did make it clear, it was Andrew himself who said I guess I have no choice I either become a traitor or risk being murdered by them. I think he knew that was the logical conclusion if he refused but not that it would definitely happen

I think Harry revealed too much in his speech to get Paul out. Surely the faithfuls are going to question how he knew all that and why he hadn’t raised any of it before?
I agree I think revealing that the traitors knew someone could be saved from murder was a mistake because the faithfuls had no way of knowing if the traitors knew that when they were choosing who goes in the dungeon, and may question why Harry stated it as fact...

I wonder why Paul didn't come back at Harry more. He kind of knew the game was up for him but I thought he might have tried to bring Harry down with him - eg, ask how Harry had it all figured out/you seem to know quite a lot etc- just sow those seeds...
I think they are not allowed, they sign up to the traitor code about not revealing another traitor and I think the producers are probably tough on that after last series with kieran so probably more explicit about what they can and can't say.

I was team Harry but I think the power is going to his head, I would love Jaz, Zak or Evie. I would also like to see more of Jasmine so hoping we get to know her better because I think she is quite clued in. I cannot stand Charlotte and hope she goes soon, I am really uncomfortable with how she talks to and about Zak it is very mean girls bullyish type behaviour imo. She made a nah nah nah nah type remark at him yesterday when he missed the glass and it just seemed mean and unnecessary to me.
I think Dianne did say to Paul it if is me poisoned it is Miles, I think she backtracked a bit on the uncloaked because Miles was right there lol

I wanted harry to win until last night I think hes going to get too confident like Paul did and scupper himself
Is it on tonight?

I wondered this as well. Miles and Paul had a right ding dong, but Paul just sat and took it from Harry (of what we saw).

I'm also pretty certain she said 'if it's me it was Miles' or words to that effect. Evie also remembers her saying this, although said she couldn't make out the name. Can anyone confirm that Diane did say this please? I had a quick Google earlier before heading into work but Diane saying she didn't say it was what came up. The traitors is so entertaining this year!

Ref. the point that if the blondes are playing low profile as a strategy, wouldn't we hear about it in the diary room/confessional chair... perhaps, but not if they're very smart. There's clearly an element of engineering being done, so the smart move is to reveal nothing to anyone about strategy, or keeping a notebook.

BTW, we need a name for that room/the yellow chair.

Yes, I was kind of thinking of the Traitor's code. It's a bit ambiguous because actually, if you are a traitor and you specifically target another traitor in the round table and then vote for them, I dunno, kind of seems like a reveal. It almost made me like Paul a bit when he held his counsel about Harry (almost, but actually not really!)

Anyway, I think it would be to Harry's best advantage to get rid of Zac tonight because he has been v vocal and is good at confronting people, so to be revealed as a faithful means that Harry's confrontational behaviour would not look odd as it seems that is how the faithfuls are behaving (eg every traitor who has been banished has played nicey-nicey and most faithfuls have been mouthy.)

Diane definitely said that!

Yes, I mentioned in the other thread because I was confused about her shock at the Miles reveal. Diane literally said to Evie while Paul heard: "if I die it's Miles, if he dies it's Jaz"

They don't know how they're being edited; I suspect even the producers don't know how they'll do it until they see the outcome. I actually think Charlie comes over quite chatty, so she might not think that she's blending in to the shadows.

We also might not be seeing things in the order they happen. So while Ross definitely refuted Paul as a Traitor last night after it had been floated, he may not have done it at such a late stage after most of the table seemed to be going that way; that might be out of chronological order to ramp up the tension and make us yell at our TVs.

Yes but when they were selected as players production had no idea how it would play out. It has another insight for the viewer to know but not the players.

It made the Diane / Paul as mother son conversation worth televising, it gave us the big revelation from Diane in the diary room, the roast dinner comment, the 'bye' in the coffin and the wink. And there was always a chance the relationship would have somehow been uncovered.

What if the traitors had chosen to recruit Diane instead of Miles? Would she have revealed the relationship to the traitors? Would either Ross or Diane have revealed the relationship either accidentally or willingly? Would someone have guessed as there is a facial similarity. I think it added an extra layer to the show even if it was rarely the centre of attention.

It is a great edit tbf. Hats off to the storytellers, they are doing a great job. They must have had hundreds of hours of footage to sift through

(Also, no one I know in rl is watching - why?!!! so am v much enjoying analysing it here - thank you all!)

I think if it was me I would try to work out who the traitors were but keep it close to my chest. The best scenario would be to know who the traitors are but to keep them in, so you can get rid of them right at the end and keep all the money yourself. (Easier said than done, I know)

That way they won’t recruit and you don't end up having to find a traitor at the last minute with not much to go on. Maybe this is the blondes plan 🤷‍♀️ (I am also blonde, so maybe I feel an affinity to them 😂).

Harry being so so good at the tasks adds an extra element to this! They need to keep him because he wins all the money!!!

I also concede that this doesn’t make good TV. The production team are playing an absolute blinder with this series.

@N4ish the reason the dungeon was a mistake was because the traitors were told that one “inmate” would be saved by the others from murder. Arrogant Paul thought he would be saved. In fact they saved somebody else. That meant they only had Meg to murder.

I didn't think a huge amount of the cross bow mission. And I don't know why Charlie was getting so much tlc over not getting the shield vs. Mollie? She ended up on exactly the same position as everyone else i.E. vulnerable unless a traitor.

I guess it stemmed from having been in the final two, she had her hopes up more?

They emphasised the Charlie v Mollie shield thing because it means Charlie will almost certainly now be murdered

A serious error in Harry's part. It's almost as if he was there planning the whole thing and his 'I'm the conquering hero!' reaction afterwards was very like Paul's.

Agree Harry appears to now be displaying the behaviour he was uncomfortable with Paul about. He needs to ramp it down stat.

Re Ross / Diane - she’s said on the podcast that they agreed to never reveal it on the show. I think that’s a mistake and if I were Ross and I came under heavy suspicion in the board room I’d use it as my golden ticket to show (not definitively but persuasively) that I wasn’t a traitor. I’d not have chosen my own mum to poison as we’ve agreed to split cash.

But that's similar to what happened with Tom and Alex ("I know she's a Faithful because she's my girlfriend") and it just led to people not trusting them because there was a pre-existing alliance they'd kept secret.

Do people remember there was that poor guy who really liked Alex, not knowing she wasn't single? That was actually pretty nasty.