The Traitors S2 Thread 4 "you wee shit"

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Carry On Faithfuls

On uncloaked Diane said she didn't tell Paul it was Miles, she was shocked that Miles was a traitor and thought it was one of the girls, Evie I think.

Ross is lovely but totally daft. Why would diane tell Paul, someone she has previously said she was suspicious about, even that morning at breakfast, and not tell Ross ?

I wonder if Charlotte suspects Harry and Paul and that's why she told Harry about Paul to see how he reacts.

I think Zac and Jaz could suss Harry out now if he doesn't calm down

Andrew would do an Ash if anyone so much as said the word traitor in his presence 😂

Every traitor so far has been brought down with Harry's vocal support and someone might start to join those dots. Jaz appears to have forgotten that last week that Paul's disclosure to him made him think that both he and Harry were traitors.

Paul did well to stay in for as long as he did given the suspicion about him from the off. Lovely Ross loyal to the end tho!

I think the game will benefit for Paul now having gone although I loved the drama he brought. Andrew is not in anyone's radar really. When Jaz named him it wasn't based on anything and a good performance in the next task would probably see the heat move off him unless Harry throws him under a bus.

I also think that the inevitable trajectory of Season 2, given what we know about Season 1, is that the traitors are much less loyal to each other from the off. If was genuinely shocking when they turned on one of their own in S1 whereas it's been all their tactical manoeuvres that have outed traitors this time around.

Someone on Twitter suggested a season of former traitors all together (in due course and when there's enough of them) which would be v entertaining in a Champion Wee Shit of Wee Shits sort of way

There was that comment that Paul made to Jaz about Harry telling him about his suspicions. At the time Jaz seemed to pick up on it but he has never mentioned Harry as a traitor.

However he has voted for Andrew several times so it'll be interesting to see if he turns his attention back there now.

It's ironic that everyone lauding Harry and back slapping him was exactly what they were doing to Paul the night before!

Evie seems to be quietly figuring things out. I'd be happy for her to make it to the final.

Although as my dd pointed out, we know Harry gave lots of accurate detail about the dungeon scenario because we watched everything, but the people there didn't, so they (apart from Andrew) don't really know if he was just theorising.

Surely Jaz is safe from banishment now? He’s been vocal about Paul for ages which he wouldn’t have been if he was a traitor ( or if he was a traitor and double crossing Paul, surely Paul would have taken him out before now).

Obviously you only get to see an edit but I think Harry played it badly yesterday, he seemed to move too far too quickly. He was so worried about taking a swing and missing that he led the attack, giving full details of the plan in the dungeon. It felt inconsistent with the character he said he was trying to play, which was all about making people underestimate him and looking a bit naive.

I think that role started to hurt his ego a bit, really he wants people to know how clever he is! Well now he looks like a dangerous, fully-fledged traitor hunter, and it is reasonable for the rest of the team to wonder how that suddenly happened. When he isn’t murdered people should also start to wonder why not.

Having watched Paul v Miles ending up with Paul as a hero the group should be well aware that fights in the round table may well be between traitors, so last nights round table should have felt very similar to them.

As a big personality like Paul was always going to go eventually, so Harry could have just given it a nudge by asking questions and letting the group piece it all together themselves - ”Do you think the traitors knew that someone would get saved from the dungeon?” “It was between Andrew and Paul wasn’t it?”

When the excitement dies down I think Harry will regret the lead role he played in the attack.

had to search for this thread. off out so will read later.
so glad at last they saw the light.
I am starting to hope Harry wins

My dream team for the win would be jaz, Evie and Zach – Evie might make it all the way by staying under the radar

@LaBelleSauvage123 you would think so. If traitors take out other traitors they do it quickly so the other one doesn't see it coming, they don't do what Jaz has done and name them for days.

I think Jaz can use that as evidence he must be a faithful especially since they now know Paul did throw other traitors under the bus - there's no way he wouldn't have tried to get rid of Jaz in those circs.

So you'd hope that the faithfuls work out that he and Zach who has also repeatedly named Paul, are likely to be faithful. I dont hold my breath though.

I found it really frustrating last night how much credit was given to Harry and none to Jaz who is the one who has had his neck on the line for ages naming someone as powerful as Paul. I do think it will be Harry's undoing though- his first big mistake.

I know Diane said in Uncloaked that she never told Paul it was Miles but I'm pretty certain we saw her do exactly that on the show. Am I misremembering this?

Im sure she told Paul that Miles gave her the wine.

I think she said that she'd said both Evie and Miles had given her a drink. Not that is was definitely Miles which Paul ran with

It’s such an interesting insight into popularity and why people gravitate to others. Looking at it from a teacher perspective : Harry is good looking and sporty - all the attributes of the popular boys at school. Jaz is the quiet, studious one - has a following, but not an alpha male like Harry. Zach is the eccentric who may be bullied in lower school but finds his tribe as he moves up.

What another great episode!
At loooong last they eventually turned on Paul ( what a great panto baddie)

I thought Harry had gone to soon at the round table I was sweaty palms hoping Jazz would at last speak up to back him , even Charlotte rubbing his arm as he left the table all sad eyed , the blondes eventually spoke an opinion and not just bleated, it was brilliant!

Agree with others Harry needs to calm it now, not be seen as leader , Andrew bless him is all over the place I like how he sussed right away they would use him, but then instead of turning on Paul he caved in.
Ross nice guy, but I could have shaken him last night, honestly Paul could have worn his cloak to the banishment and he’d still have defended him!

@Romeiswheretheheartis

Although as my dd pointed out, we know Harry gave lots of accurate detail about the dungeon scenario because we watched everything, but the people there didn't, so they (apart from Andrew) don't really know if he was just theorising.

this is a good point.

I also think that the faithfuls won’t think the traitors would destroy two of their own in a row, so Ross and Charlie may have some explaining to do.

andrew also didn’t vote for Paul, but I think he’s safe for now.

Funnily enough, I don't think his murder was guaranteed at all if he had refused. They only want him as cannon fodder because they think they can get him banished, which he realised as soon as he saw who they were. So he might have been safer refusing, as he clearly wanted to do. But he assumed he'd be murdered if he said no, which is a very fair assumption. Had he known who the traitors were, he'd have figured out their motives, but of course he didn't.

I'd have done the same and probably regretted it just the same.

When you get to this stage it gets really stressful being a Traitor because nobody is truly on your side. The Faithful are hunting you and your fellow Traitors are looking to use you as a decoy.

I was pondering last night that it would be an interesting social experiment in one series to have an all-female Traitor team. This year has been a very testosterone fuelled Traitor team, poor Ash didn’t stand a chance, but it would be fascinating to see how the dynamics of an all female team would work, maybe also with the proviso that they can only recruit from the female contestants.

Unlikely to happen as I guess there would be complaints about it being unfair to the male contestants. Perhaps they could do 2 series in one year - 1 all female and 1 all male.

I’m just interested to see what the dynamics would be in an all-female team.

Jaz, Evie and Zack would also be my dream team for the win.

It would be very funny if Andrew remained and Harry gets banished, but I can't see Harry going out without taking Andrew with him somehow.

It's interesting to note that Jaz was voting for Andrew even before he was a traitor. I can't quite get my head around how that could play out... good or not for Jaz. Need another coffee to think that through!

Hahahaha last night I could have cheerfully slapped him.

If Andrew had refused to be a traitor he wouldn't have known who the other traitors were. It was an envelope invite not a 'come and get to know us before you make your mind up' job. But he would have told the other Faithfuls that the Traitors had tried to recruit him so that might have given everyone something to discuss trying to figure out who would choose him and why.

I didn't quite get Paul's rationale for choosing him - though I understand Harry's. If I were them I might have gone for Jasmine or Charlotte - who I think are ambitious to win, and more likely to accept the invite unquestioningly.

By the way, this may have been discussed on the previous thread but I thought Miles made a very bad decision to be the giver of the chalice. It was obvious it would be very hard to get away with - Paul and Harry literally handed him the poisoned chalice getting him to do it.

I'd like Harry to make it a long way but not if he goes all Paul egomaniac. I'd like to see more of the blonds - I'm not sure if they've played a blinder by bring in the background or if it's just the edit. There's been a lot of big personalities to hide behind but they are amongst the first to be banished.

I mistyped blinds not blinds then and it suddenly gave me the thought I wonder how a blind person would do in the show. Obviously devising tasks would be much harder. But I wonder if you just have to listen and deduce the you would discern more?

I think if you refuse the traitors offer you're murdered? Or have I got that wrong?

Harry needs a shield tonight.

I think Paul was genuine with his it was an act comment. It's how I would play. I put my game face on for work and it stays on else the stress gets to me. He just happened to be a traitor and work was all day long.

I don't think it's a given that you get murdered if you refuse to join the traitors. Just a supposition. But I might be wrong.