“Am I or amnt I?” Traitors Season 2 *Tv pace/No spoilers* - Thread 2

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Thread 2 as the last one filled up fast!

We’re starting this one after Ep4 has aired.

NO SPOILERS please!

Yes. But people in a heightened emotional state - as a person is when once again they have been unfairly targeted from the get go (in Anthony's case, Diana) tend to be less articulate. Be that emotional state be stress, anger, defensive or other state.

It's something to do with the emotional part 'blocking' the more logical part of your brain. (There is obviously a far better way of describing it!!)

In fact you can override it - next time you have an emotional response try, if you can, picture moving your thoughts from the back of your brain to the top. It can be quite affective in becoming more rational and articulate. Though I imagine hard to do when the emotional response is against a bias that constant and never-ending.

Ash on the Traitors Uncloaked show was so much more articulate, funny and personable than she appeared on the show. I think she just didn't have a moment to collect herself and was targeted from the get go, and therefore was in full panic mode.

I think Harry told Paul about Jaz at this stage to outwardly show Paul some loyalty, safely in the knowledge he himself will remain under the radar for as long as he's useful to Paul and Paul's under suspicion.

I also think Jaz suspects Harry, hence telling him his Paul theory to keep himself safe. Maybe I'm crediting them both with too much intelligence though.

I hope it's not Diane who was murdered of the three as she makes such good tv. I also think Charlotte secretly suspects Paul and is playing the game.

I'd love to see Jaz win - he's my favourite at the mo. I want to see more of Jasmine, and keep forgetting who Evie is.

I'm not rooting for any of the current traitors. I think Paul's days are numbered and I wonder if they'll recruit a new traitor after that...

Yes, I feel like I can't work out whether it's better for us to know or not.

I’m not 100% certain but I think in the show The Mole the viewers didn’t know who the mole was.

for me personally Traitors is more exciting as a viewer, to see the dynamic of deception during their daily chats, being able to get behind the one that knows who the traitors are (eg Jaz) and also, as frustrating as it is, all the screaming at the tv moments when you see the build up towards kicking out a faithful on the round table.

why can't anyone say - Andrew could be the traitor, just lucky he got the shield (that would be my argument if Paul, ie its equally possible its Andrew than him, and he is throwing shade on Paul by murdering Meg to get him banished).

Though luckily never came up and they'd want to avoid any suggestion of 2 traitors in the dungeon.

I was thinking that.

I don't think Paul is popular as in particularly well liked. I think Jonny was more well-liked, for example, but Paul is powerful. Diane is powerful also. I would like to know how they do it, as I can't figure it out and would like to learn to be a bit more powerful myself! But I'm short and overweight so there may not be much hope of that.

If I were on the traitors I think I'd be making a bit more of people's professions than the contestants seem to. For example, Anthony being a chess coach would make me much more likely to listen to his theories. Paul being in sales would make me less likely to trust him - I'd think he was used to being manipulative and getting people to believe what he wanted them to.

I thought Harry played a blinder actng so upset about Jonny being a faithful. I would never suspect him after that.

Regarding the challenges being all physical - I agree that wrong. Would be good to have some more thinking ones (Escape Room type).

Actually if they had a challenge where you had to try and deceive each other to win the money that would be great and would be very interesting in people trying to work out who Traitors were afterwards based on the challenge. Everyone would be torn between wanting to try and win the challenge versus not wanting to appear good at deceiving people!

I think it's inbuilt. I have noticed the difference between my children - one is instantly chosen for everything, liked by everyone (children and adults) and naturally seems to be a leader from a toddler.

The other is overlooked and forgotten totally, and whilst not unpopular, is one the edges of groups. Makes very good points, but isn't really listened to.

They look very similar too and are the same sex, so it seems to be something innate that child one radiates somehow. Although as they get older, it is becoming more of a self fulfilling prophecy...

@MotherofGorgons(and others)

I was getting ready to watch this, but there's no point now. Thanks

Yesterday it was clarified that the 'no spoilers' header on this thread should apply to any series, anywhere.

I am really sorry! Aussie Traitors was over a year ago though? I didn't see that header. Will ask MN to delete.

It's not just you - I think it's fine to discuss contestants in other series, just not who won. Several people have said they're coming new to Traitors this year, and m8ght want to catch up, too.

I really like Jaz too. I think he is more shrewd than some of the others Ie Charlotte - unless she is completely double bluffing.

I think harry has been excellent, and for the record - I do actually think the tears and taking himself off were genuine because of the 'bond' they had. He has told himself that he will do absolutely anything it takes to win, so he did vote Jonny - but it was a head not heart decision and incongruent with how he was actually feeling. If he was looking to do something calculated then I don't think he would have chosen to that!

@Hmmph Actually if they had a challenge where you had to try and deceive each other to win the money that would be great and would be very interesting in people trying to work out who Traitors were afterwards based on the challenge. Everyone would be torn between wanting to try and win the challenge versus not wanting to appear good at deceiving people!

THAT'S GENIUS! Yes please to this idea!

It would be interesting to rerun the sheep/most popular vote again now to see who gets each accolade. I can imagine Paul's face if he isn't most popular any more and the faithful being much less willing to label anybody after seeing Brian's reaction and thinking most popular = traitor target ( a clue they missed about Paul?) As with everything on this programme though, there are probably loads of other ramifications to this I haven't thought of yet. 🤣

Got my post deleted. Apologies again. I wasn't thinking.

Hopefully this is what Charlotte is doing. Biding her time to out Paul while getting a bit closer to him so as not to be murdered.

After Jas told Jasmine and Ross of his belief that Paul is a traitor I am sure they have either sounded out others on their views of why Paul wasn't murdered and Meg was. Perhaps even said 'Could it be that Meg was murdered as Paul is a traitor?'. We haven't seen that but it doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. It makes more dramatic tv for us if suddenly EVERYONE unexpectedly points the finger at Paul and we see Charlotte, Evie and others saying in to camera pieces 'when he came back I knew it was him and spoke to X and she agreed and then Y said the same so we all agreed to quietly get others on board to blindside him.

That could even be tonight's cliffhanger.

I also thought it was strange to hear people like Andrew and Charlotte being '100%' sure about Paul being a faithful. It's just too much - they just can't be 100% about anyone when they know the aim of the game iso to be deceived. Saying something like 'I'd be really surprised if Paul was a traitor...' would be a far more normal thing to come out with.

I agree, they are onto him - especially as it must have looked as odd to them as it did to everyone else when Meg was murdered in place of him. I think I said in an earlier post too - Jaz will realise tonight that one of the people he told his suspicions about Paul to is also a traitor as he wasn't killed. I think things are going to start falling into place among the group now.

I also think Harry was genuinely upset about Jonny but knew he had to vote for him.

Jaz will realise tonight that one of the people he told his suspicions about Paul to is also a traitor as he wasn't killed

Possibly, although I’m not sure Jaz would have been killed last night even if he hadn’t said!

Yes Harry seems nice and I also felt his upset was genuine.

I think it shows that Paul isn't disliked simply because he's 'playing the game' (or however it was phrased up thread).

So it's interesting to why Paul is disliked and Harry isn't. It's down to personality portayed in the talk to camera bit, garnered from what they say and how they say it. Paul just seems full of himself - arrogant and superior - is the fact he's actually insecure and needy and has now lost the plot because he was the most popular

I'm pretty sure Paul is gonna be next - hes so smug I'll enjoy it when it comes