“Am I or amnt I?” Traitors Season 2 *Tv pace/No spoilers* - Thread 2

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Thread 2 as the last one filled up fast!

We’re starting this one after Ep4 has aired.

NO SPOILERS please!

As with h all of these things... I also inherently dislike Paul (not because he is trying to hoodwink everyone - that's just part of being a good traitor ) but because of his smugness. Harry is doing a great job but not being smug.

But

Paul does make for great entertainment. It's human nature ri want to get rid of those we (as viewers) don't like - and his exit when it comes will be very enjoyable. But i'll miss the drama and subterfuge as it makes for good TV.

I'd like his demise to go on a little longer and watch him crumble a bit more first.

Paul thinks he is doing a great job as a traitors, but in fact the other two are doing much better, as neither have been really mentioned as traitors (maybe Harry was once?) - whereas there is some suspicion of Paul.

I think it's hard to know how good a game Miles is playing as he hasn't really been tested yet. It will be interesting to see how he performs under pressure. He is definitely the most likeable of the traitors to the audience, probably because he's the most modest.

Miles is blessed with a very untraitorish demeanour, he is instantly likeable without being dominant (in the way Paul is). People naturally turn to him for leadership (eg in the catapult task, he mentioned this). I could see Miles going the whole way tbh.

It's interesting because I agree he was upset. I think the upset was genuine. But it was definitely mixed with guilt - he wouldn't have been SO upset if he'd not been a Traitor, I reckon.

AND I think he 'leaned in' to the feeling. It got more and more and then the walking out suddenly felt OTT and rang false to me.

Then later in the tower he was really cold about it in front of Paul - which I guess might have been trying to claw back his 'strength' in Paul's eyes?

If I was a Faithful I think I'd be feeling my own guilt and upset and be wondering why Harry's was so much more than mine? It's not a smoking gun or anything, but I think he exaggerated for effect and it was his first obvious mis-step, for me.

Of course everyone knows it’s a game BUT some people have psychotic tendencies and often reality shows attract them.
Not everyone is ‘a nice person.’ In life some people are vile.
Plenty of people on MN will openly say they dislike this and that person. This is exactly the same.
I think it’s very hard for the faithful. It would be easier if the traitors had to sabotage challenges. As it is they have very little to go on.
Cant wait for tonight’s episode.
I’m putting my money on Tracey being murdered.
All the traitors to survive the next banishment.

The thing with Paul, though, he's enjoying it all with us and his fellow traitors

When he's talking to camera and being excited and enjoying it, it's because he knows we know. He's not really being much different from the others when he's in a group setting

The scene in Uncloaked, when Meg and Johnny were talking, she couldn't make eye contact with him, her eyes flitted about constantly. I have a feeling that's what made some people suspect her a little.

Can anyone explain the theory that "if Meg walks through the door, she's a Traitor"?
I don't get this?

Yes I noticed that - I'm sure it's a neurodiverse thing but it does look shifty!

I think that Harry’s tears were genuine. I feel that he is very influenced by Paul.

For anyone who enjoyed The Mole on Netflix, this is from a Dutch series called "Wie Is de Mol" - who is the mole? There is a youtube channel with Wie is de Mol with English subtitles, loads of series.

https://www.youtube.com/c/WIDMEnglishSubs

The contestants are Dutch "celebs" but really nobody you've ever heard of. The current series airs on Dutch tv on a Satruday night, the first episode was last Saturday. Each series is in an international location, last year was South Africa, this year is Mexico. Usually the subtitled version is up on YouTube on the Sunday. Well worth a watch.

And no, neither the contestants nor the audience know who the Mole is. The final ep of the season has the big reveal with the Mole revealing themselves, and then the host showing clips of all the "Mole Actions" or sabotage that the mole carried out during the tasks.

I do agree with this - he's hamming it up and I for one am entertained! I don't want him to be next out, he's too much fun :)

But I'm hoping Miles will win! LOOOOVE him.

@Twonewcats

The traitors had to pick one from the dungeon to murder that night.

Andrew was exempt
Ash went in the banishment

Which meant the trainers had to murder Paul or Meg.

If Meg walked through the door and Paul was gone then that meant she was a traitor.

Which makes it even more mystifying that when Paul walked through the door - using the same logic - that would make him a traitor - but only Jaz and Anthony entertained the idea!

*Traitors not trainers obviously!!

Hamming it up is exactly it. It’s also a little bit like “sledging” in cricket between the bowler and the batsmen, projecting confidence that you’re going to get them out next ball, but in this case doing this with the other traitors and the viewers.

I think he is just having fun with being the “baddie” (as well as obviously wanting to win if he can).

In some people though I think that triggers a reaction which feels very particularly British - a dislike of too much confidence, of someone seeming to do too well, be too popular, get above themselves etc. It triggers a desire to see him come a cropper, get cut down to size by the underdogs etc.

I think that is all fine, it is part of the pantomime of it all (“he’s behind you - boo, hiss!!), but it is really worrying when people take this edited game and start making really unpleasant insinuations about him and his personality - that’s going way too far in my opinion.

lemonasaretheonlyfruit exactly.
So poor Meg was condemned if she came back but Paul……well Paul is somehow different.
That’s why I don’t mind if he shafts the lot of them including his fellow traitors.
I think Paul will want rid of Miles soon enough, I suspect Harry will collude with Paul.
I wonder if they will recruit another traitor now that Ash has gone.

I am finding it increasingly amusing how determined some posters are at seeing the traitors as bad guys. Everyone who signed up agreed to play either role, nobody is inherently good or bad if they are playing the game well in their role.

@lemonsaretheonlyfruit - couldn’t it just be the case that both Paul and Meg were Faithful though?

The rest of the Faithfuls didn’t know for sure that there was more than one traitor in the dungeon, but a lot of them were convinced that Meg was a traitor too. They thought if she survived the night that would be compelling evidence that they were on the right track, so were really surprised to be proved wrong when she got murdered.

Now they are a bit confused about why the traitors chose to murder Meg instead of Paul, but that could just have been to mess with everyone’s heads.

I think that rather than suspicion going from Meg to Paul, some of them now assume that Ash was the only traitor in the dungeon.

But couldn't Andrew in theory have been the Traitor in the dungeon, but that wouldn't be obvious because he was exempt anyway?