“Am I or amnt I?” Traitors Season 2 *Tv pace/No spoilers* - Thread 2

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Thread 2 as the last one filled up fast!

We’re starting this one after Ep4 has aired.

NO SPOILERS please!

If Diane goes (though I think she's least likely to), and Ross blabs about their relationship, he's toast - "untrustworthy", "liar", "secret-keeper' - no matter what he does.

Like a proper Jaffa.

Paul got away with it
they are too frightened to speak out now

I want Diane to stay and Charlotte to go. I like how Dianne is not afraid to speak her mind. Whereas Charlotte seems to want to speak everyone else’s mind by sucking up to them. Yes she may be playing the game of get close to those in power by advocating for them, but it comes across as fake, and demeaning.

Definitely.
Happened in Series 1 with the couple.

I agree with all the views on unconscious bias and was thinking exactly the same last night and the night before. The Faithful don't realise how cliquey they are and how they're conforming to group think. It is exactly why you need diversity and why you should let the people who are most different from you opinions be heard.

Saw everyone take against Anthony from the start, Jonny and Anthony being picked last for the task despite Jonny particularly being such a strong team player, and Jaz seems relatively side-lined. Only Jasmine seems to be bucking the trend, but the 2 other women of colour are out.

I'd prefer either Charlotte - who is loud but consistently wrong - or Tracy to go, but Diane may be interesting to see the effect on Ross.

I’ve been thinking, Harry is very young and being in the army he is used to someone telling him what to do. He is very influenced by Paul who is tall and has presence. Don’t underestimate the influence being tall has.
Paul won’t hesitate to throw Harry under the bus and Harry won’t even notice.

The reason it doesn’t illicit the same response is that Paul has built up the persona of being the “most popular” which is making him invincible....for now.

He has a big personality with some fervent fans (e.g. Charlotte 🙄)

We were screaming at the tv last night re Meg being murdered...it’s now so obviously Paul!!

When they sit at the round table and the first person pipes up with who they think it is and then pretty much everyone else follows suit....agh!!!
A scarily true display of herd mentality.

I’m loving the free thinkers.
Go Jaz 👊🏻

I’m also not seeing why Paul is so liked.
He comes across to me as a right slimey, backstabbing bastard and I’ve come across many in my time.
I’ve said it from day 1. He strikes me as the type who would throw his own grandmother under the bus to get what he wanted.
I can imagine him at work letting others do the graft and then stepping in pretending that he has done all the work.
I also think he would be one of many men to claim he is having to work late, when in reality he is shagging another woman.
He is sexist.
This proves to me how people like the Tinder Swindler and The Serpent get away with what they did.
Like mentioned upthread, rational logic suggests that there is a far, far greater probability of Paul being a traitor than any other person ( except Andrew who had immunity) sat around the round table.
He didn’t even come up with a plausible explanation when Antony? challenged him on this point. He yet again deflected and threw someone else’s name into the ring. I think it was Johnny. Then look what happened. Poor Johnny got the boot.
Although I do realise it is very different for the contestants and they must be under huge pressure.

Holidayhell22
Agree with everything you said, only wish the other contestants would!

He’s slimy, clever and manipulative.

Praying for him to go tonight but think the decision will be the big cliffhanger tonight.

So annoyed that Paul didn’t get banished. Enough people were on to him for them to ‘lead the charge’, inc Zack at breakfast (we are rooting for Zack as we have IRL connections to him) which was really annoying!
Poor old Johnny - felt really bad for him - he didn’t deserve that after his stellar task performance.
I hope Charlotte goes, she’s really annoying me now 😆
I saw that ‘proud mum’ look when Ross got the shield - and I’m now thinking they actually do have a family resemblance around the chin/mouth.

I missed the last part, why are they going for Charlotte?

I can see the resemblance with Ross and Diane now too. It’s the eyes. Maybe why he is wearing those huge glasses, another poster alluded to this earlier 🤣.

It is different for the contestants- after all they (if they are faithfuls) don't know Paul is a traitor and therefore can't see the backstabbing.

Harry and Miles can though - in he little Boys' Club.

Miles is quite enough about supporting Paul. This can be either because his passive or because he's wise enough to know not support Paul will make Paul and possibly consequently Harry turn on him. He did vote for Ash despite not particularly wanting her out because not voting her would be negative view on him.

Harry is more vocal in his Paul love, but it it real? He's just shown he is willing to be ruthless by voting for Jonny (I think his upset at that was genuine because the army/brotherhood thing) because like he said Jonny was going to have to go at some point. So why not then when the opportunity for it not to appear negative. So is Harry simply very tactical and his tactic is displaying support to Paul but will turn when it's safe to do so? Or is his truely in Paul's thrall?

I think this sounds a little bit unhinged, like thinking an actor is a shit because they played a villain really well!

Some people seem to get weirdly moralistic about players actually playing the game, particularly the traitors - as if it represents some sort of moral failing. It really is all just a parlour game - wink murder on a large scale!

Backstabbing and throwing people under the bus is all part of it, especially when you are under suspicion like Paul is. Miles can appear more “likeable” in that respect as he hasn’t come under any pressure yet, whereas Paul knows he is a target (and I think he will go soon).

I think he is enjoying playing the game, and I would guess that the people he is spending time with (and who are seeing far more than we do) are probably pretty good judges of his actual character - and that he is fun, likeable and has good people skills.

Charlotte has become more of a leader after others murdered, is why she's a target for Traitors.

I'd like to know how many hours a day they spend together, to form opinions of each other. Everyone knew Jonny was super nice, maybe the super nicest, but they banished him anyway. So when will they see that super nice Paul might be traitor? Only Anthony & Jaz are on to Paul.

I could see Miles winning this, late, after Paul is rumbled & Harry cracks.

I was mulling over how does one win this, as a faithful. Luck is such a huge part of it, that I would mostly only sign up in hope of having a laugh while it lasted. Being good at the challenges will be irrelevant to survival.

Have a bit of luck not to be murdered or banished in first 3 days.
Cultivate relationships with everyone, assuming they are both T or F (I think Paul does this)

To avoid being banished (by far the greater danger):
Endear yourself as nice to everyone, cultivate your own cult of popularity
Don't make stupid jokes, ever
Don't say you're unafraid of the traitors (even if the traitors are half as scary as being banished)

To figure out who you think is traitor
Use logic about traitor's best strategy, not who you like, to decide is a traitor
Ignore things like "personality changes"

To avoid being murdered
Don't be an obvious big personality early on
Don't be too much of a leader, but don't be a completely mild sheep either
Be unemotional if you nominate anyone as potential traitor, make it sound like you're just floating an idea even if your evidence is robust, and only nominate by pointing to evidence & getting them to publicly defend
Vote for random unpopular people at RT every single time unless you're truly convinced on who is traitor, but don't make it obvious you're that convinced

I wonder what Game Theory says !!

I can see the family resemblance too.
I like jaz

Yes I really don't understand why viewers are saying they dislike Paul - he's playing the game and, as Claudia says, "What's the name of the game?!"

Be honest, would any of us behave any differently when offered the chance to win a potentially life changing amount of money? No one is getting hurt, these are people that (for the most part!) have never met each other before and are likely to have little impact on each others lives going forwards beyond chatting on WhatsApp and meeting for dinner every now and then!

I think one strategy for survival as a Faithful, if you think you know who a traitor is, is to not reveal that you know, but become useful to them. Appear to listen to what they say, and be persuaded by it. That might help reduce your chance of being murdered, as they may think you are a useful “tool”. If you can do that and avoid being (wrongly) banished yourself then the competition will get knocked off and you only make a move on the traitors when the numbers have dropped. Easier said than done though!

I dont dislike Paul, but I do think he needs to pay for his overconfident dungeon mistake. Its only logical.

what is it with harry and paul and the crocodile tears.
harry annoyed me. all that crying, he didn't have to vote for Jonny.
did none of them watch the previous series. Paul is just like the awful traitor from series 1.

Yeah, I would be suspicious of Harry after all that crying. He's known Johnny for 3 days! The women in this, apart from Diane, are disappointing.

I think what annoys me about Paul is his obvious want for fame, hamming it up on the VTs and just being a bit over the top. He gives me David Brent vibes.

@Nesbi @lljkk good analysis on what the Faithful need to do. I think Evie said she knew Paul was a traitor after breakfast but wasn't going to do anything about it as he's too popular. That's wiser than the Jaz/Anthony way.

I suppose the terrified Faithful will try to identify other Traitors first and get Paul out last.

Paul is married to an Insta influencer and was on Deal or No Deal years ago. I guess that is why he is so personable and camera friendly.

Or maybe the women are following the strategy @lljkk and @Nesbi have set out and keeping their heads down?

We might eventually find out they too have rumbled Paul but are not saying it as they don't want a target on their back and are wondering how to convince others. Plus they don't want to accidentally tell another traitor their Paul theory like Jas did. So they are quietly searching for the other traitors.

I would love it if next week they rumble Harry and do a blindside and without very little RT talk they all vote Harry and he goes. And then the next day without even mentioning Paul at RT they all put him down and banish him. Miles is currently so deep undercover he might hear this plan but he's smart enough to let it happen to keep his own cover.