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A no spoiler tv pace thread please.

A pestilence of mammoth proportions in the shape of toothy pubic lice for those who escape from the twat field and may any unsocked feet sweat enough to give you bulbous blisters….

Waiting for clips - only info is ‘coming soon’….

I don’t believe for a minute that Ella was waiting all night for Nath to arrive for dinner. As you say, it smacked of the production people fiddling. Think Di at the Taj.

If any one of us had been insulted, received a non-apology and stormed off, the likelihood is that we wouldn’t traipse off to participate in a cosy dinner a deux. Damn straight I would have availed myself of room service.

I don’t think the argument/insult thing was real either by the way. And the stripper thing is quite likely not the real reason for the Nath flounce.

All I see is two people who have thrown themselves to the lions for clicks and giggles.

And those pulling the drama strings are happily yanking away.

The lions will just be looking to eat you up. They were never going to invite you to join a conga line.

I feel sorry that vulnerabilities are being exploited but that is the nature of the ‘reality’ tv beast. And there will always be a queue of people willing to take the trade.

I agree with this. FWIW, I think Nathaniel seems like a nice guy who would give Ella a chance if she toned it down a bit.

I do wonder though if guys generally like the totally fake look, especially boobs & lips.

I think Rozz is naturally very pretty & hope this doesn't knock her confidence.

There's a spoiler alert in the DM sidebar of shame if anyone is interested...

Thank you. I shall avoid. 😊

It very much depends on the individual man though I suppose.

DH prefers me looking natural. I do tend to 'fake up' when I'm to a wedding for example. Hair/lash/nail extensions and fake tan usually.

But then I do know men who love the fake look. One of my friends has been having botox since she was about 23 (now 33) and her husband thinks she is the most beautiful person in the world. To me she looks frozen.

Has it got anything to do with instagram?

Ella wants someone to 'validate her' by finding her physically attractive straight away.
How many people would find someone they got randomly paired up with physically attractive straight away? It's a pure lottery.

Much the same as Jay would have thought it was because of her arm if Ricky Gervaise hadn't fancied her Ella thinks it's down to being transgender. Nathaniel said that's not a problem for him but it still doesn't mean he has to want to get jiggy with Ella just as Jay's partner (what the feck is his name?) could have had no problem with her disability but still might not have fancied her.

People will always feel rejected for what they perceive as a problem for others to deal with rather than just lack of chemistry/compatibility.

No, I don't want to say too much but it is something that is going to happen on the show.

Just read it.
Do we have a spoilers thread anywhere yet?

I hope not because I'm sure to click on it by accident.

And also why so low?

Am watching it again tonight and I actually feel really upset. Ella could have had a perfectly nice life as a gay man, but, for whatever reason, has chosen to live life as a facsimile of a woman ( and has objectified themself by stripping). Their whole sense of self is so fragile and unstable, needing to be seen as a woman and as sexually desired by a man. It's a recipe for disaster as it's trying to force something that's not real and I worry that they will never be happy and is at risk of being used by men with nefarious motives...

@Appalonia why are you finding so hard to call Ella SHE and HER?

But Ella obv doesn't see herself as a gay man - but as a straight women. I personally don't understand how she can distinguish which, as I've never had those sorts of feelings, but that's clearly how she feels.
However, I agree with the criticism of how she presents herself as a woman, as in it's a performance, rather than just being. This is where the trans/camp way of expressing themselves really exhausts me - it seems to be about the dressing up/big boobs/Disney princess thing, it's not about "being a woman"

Ella's definition of a woman seems to be 'drag queen' I don't see her as a woman more a gay man in drag.

I thought the same thing @TheNameIsDickDarlington. I appreciate everyone has their boundaries but it sounded like it was in her past and it seems an odd thing to throw your toys out the pram about.

it seems an odd thing to throw your toys out the pram about
Unless you had objected to the pairing and were reminded of tv exposure and given an out if you would just go ahead maybe?

I think Nathanial just generally dislikes Ella and has found some way of expressing it without looking like a monster and provoking a warlock hunt. He's in an invidious position, really.

Indeed twonewcats

I see myself as willowy, young and ravishing titian haired beauty without a care in the world.

No matter how I carry myself down the street, I will always look like a dumpy, battered, grey haired auld woman who has too much responsibilities and can’t find their peace.

I don’t skip gaily down the street with my hair swinging as more often that not, I’m laden with shopping. Laden.

The minute I open my mouth, the weariness and my life experiences are there for all to hear.

They are always there.

I could go mad with the clairol, lose 5 stone, buy a handbag that is smaller than my purse and have my flapping jowls cut and tied round the back of my neck in a bow. Likewise with my norks. And off I could skip. Living my Natascha life. And hoping that a millionaire will sweep me off my feet and love my shell. And eventually me.

The thing is, the experiences of my life are still inside and will be heard whenever I comment on anything.

I wish anyone in the position who have changed their outward appearances the happy life they seek.

What I am clumsily trying to say is that it generally isn’t that simple.

And I don’t expect anyone to buy into what I say I am when I keep showing them who I am.

Couldn't have said it better

And yes, Jane and Stephanie

He had to be given an easy out.

He will no doubt vote to go and Ella will keep voting to stay. It will be an uncomfy watch.

Forced acceptance is not acceptance.

Because it's literally impossible to change sex. Clear enough for you? And I refuse to pretend that pp can.

True. It's very contrived very early on if that's what's happening here.

It's a shame it's departed so far from the original concept. Makes great television but it doesn't do what it set out to do anymore.

However, I agree with the criticism of how she presents herself as a woman, as in it's a performance, rather than just being

The whole worlds a stage. We are all different to different people, in different situations, speak differently, act differently. Or maybe that's just me? I empathize a lot with being loud, brash, (sometimes inappropriate!) when you're around a new crowd. Trying to make an impression because I'm nervous and don't know how to make small talk!

I don't think Ella is being anyone other than herself.

I don’t think I’d ever be that nervous to shout that my fanny was falling out in the middle of a holiday complex.

Granted it made an impression though. And I agree that one cannot say that Ella is being anything other than Ella…

I also agree that the whole world is a stage. We do play to our audience to an extent.

The holiday complex just wasn’t the stage where you have to sashay away.