Anyone watched the shamina begum documentary on bbc 2 ?

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Just watching it now

I've changed my mind . She was a child , groomed , no idea what she was getting into .

I don't think we should demonise one child forever . There are much bigger threats out there that people don't even realise.

She’s not a British Citizen, that citizenship was stripped from her and all other known British ISIS members who could by international law have their citizenship stripped. She has been treated no differently than numerous other WHITE Isis female members, and better than also formerly British blonde & blue-eyed Sally Jones who was actually assassinated with a drone strike alongside her preteen son.

Secondly, she will be tried like all the other war criminals in the internationally sanctioned courts in Syria as have thousands of others like her whenever this media circus stops. Bringing her back to the U.K. allows her to dodge justice in the country where she committed her crimes. Her crimes included putting together and putting on homicide bomber vests which killed hundreds of innocents, patrolling and killing civilians in ISIS territory as part of the armed female police, egging on and enjoying the beheadings of British journalists and NGO workers.

She knew what ISIS was when she went, and she not only stayed, she rose within their ranks as much as a woman could. And the husbands “demands” for obedience were the culture if ISIS, they weren’t particular to him and she knew that culture before she went.

I think she should be tried where she committed her crimes, serve her prison sentence there and then try and apply to come back as an immigrant. She lost her right to British citizenship by joining and working for an enemy that was waging a war of terror on us.

There is no parallel between her and girls trafficked by gangs as sex slaves. Trafficked girls don’t become adult gang members building bombs and shooting civilians. The media is trying to make out that she was just a mail order bride who then was an imprisoned wife and mother- when she wasn’t.

I feel so sorry for her.
her being interviewed by a snarling journalist when she was two days post Parton was disgusting. She was so set up.
if anyone had asked me what my opinion on world matters were two days after giving birth in a camp, when I’d been in an abusive marriage and not sure who to trust, I too would have talked nonsense.
if anyone here has ever worked with 15 year old girls, they’d know, like I do, that they can be complete dickheads.
Shamina had that non logical, shoulder shrugging way of answering questions just like any other twattish teenager.
she needs compassion.
she has grown up massively.
Britain should be ashamed how we let her be manipulated first by Isis then by snarling journos.

According to the Times (a few months ago)there are around 60 British women in this camp.
Genuine question - why has all the attention about repatriation concerned Shamina Begum rather than any of the others? I haven’t heard of the others being mentioned.

Which "bleeding heart liberals" are those? Raab? Braverman? Sunak?

When foreign nationals commit crimes here in the UK, we sentence them here, they serve their time here and then we deport them. A lot of people on this thread seem to be suggesting that when British nationals commit crimes abroad, they should also serve their time here. So you just want us to have all the criminals? She should be subjected to Syria’s justice system, serve her sentence there and then be deported here. That would surely be the right way to do things. Though I personally would prefer she never came back. One less terrorist in this country is fine by me.

I don't think there was a choice to stay or leave . She contemplated it but it was too dangerous. I believe that . Once there - how do you safely leave?

I wont be convinced. End of the day she still attacks the western culture we have yet she wants to come live in the very country whose culture and value she hates. She went to join isis to fight war against the west and all they stand for including wanting sharia laws in every country. I haven't ever seen her show regret for believing in that, infact the opposite.

So if she hates our country for that why come back then when your finally in a country with a culture and values that align with your beliefs.

Until she shows she no longer hates the west and our culture and values, that she wants to come back to integrate into our society as it is then I can't chnage my view on it.

I do t believ she will be safe to
Speak freely while in Syria . So let her come back - try her for any crimes committed, let her speak . Monitor her here . That would be the safest thing for the uk - one of the other detainees was pushed straight back to isis -does that make sense ?

This.

When you see the footage of her and her friends going through the airport, they are literal children who look like they got separated from the others on the school trip.

They were on their way to then be ‘married’ off to men much older than them, statutory rape follows and a whole world of trauma that we can’t even begin to comprehend.

So a child who was brainwashed, traumatised, saw the death of three of her children under 5 and now lives in fear every day of her life, isn’t good at coming across well on TV - now there’s a shock!

I think what people read as “arrogance” is self-preservation through sky-high barriers that she puts up because of trauma, and what people read as her being omitting truth is her not having a clue of how much she can say without putting her life in even more danger.

The fact that she never received a fair trial in the U.K. is utterly shameful, not to mention unlawful. Trial by the media only, like it’s the witch trials of the 1700s.

I also love that people are calling it a BBC ‘PR’ campaign, whilst being wilfully deaf, dumb and blind to the hate and smear campaign launched against her in other media coverage (that formed and moulded their own opinions), where journalists poke and bait a young traumatised girl who has a newborn baby in one of the most terrifying places on Earth.

I watched it. I found her quite plausible and her story very sad. She was 15. I look back at how I was at 15 and I’m ashamed of some of the things I did, said, and opinions I held. As an adult I’m not the same person. She has lost absolutely everything she ever had and everything she ever could have in the future because of a decision she made at 15.
I’m sure I would feel differently if it transpired that she was involved in the violence in any way but to me it appeared that she was a walking womb for breeding more terrorists.

I also think to endure what she has takes enormous reserves of resilience- and that means not cracking under emotional pressure. I would imagine this girl has been traumatised so much that she is almost unable to show emotion- and self preservation would mean she simply cannot while in a camp , in danger , in Syria .

also love that people are calling it a BBC ‘PR’ campaign, whilst being wilfully deaf, dumb and blind to the hate and smear campaign launched against her in other media coverage (that formed and moulded their own opinions), where journalists poke and bait a young traumatised girl who has a newborn baby in one of the most terrifying places on Earth.

Exactly this .

She never contemplated leaving. Her very first interview after she left ISIS, she said she had no regrets about joining ISIS, she still espouses their philosophy and beliefs, and that she had only left ISIS because she thought her third baby might not die in the U.K.

It’s the same interview in which she defends the genocide of Yazidi men and rape and murder of Yazidi girls kept as sex slaves by ISIS fighters- including her husband.

I haven’t watched it yet but from the beginning I have though two things. That at 15 she shouldn’t have been allowed to leave in the first place and was let down to an extent by the adults in her life. There will have been men that were part of the same evil group who will have found it easier because they are men to sneak back into to the UK.

Exacrly my point if someone hates our country and its culture then why come back, only cos her child might be safe. There are plenty of other countries that share her views she could go to in the middle east that offer more safety.

The fact that she never received a fair trial in the U.K. is utterly shameful, not to mention unlawful.

No, her citizenship being stripped was 100% lawful and she will stand trial in the war criminal courts like all the other ISIS members unless the British Government UNLAWFULLY intervene.

Part of me feels she was a child who was groomed and did not understand the seriousness of what she was getting into. However I do understand the anger from people about what she has done. I can’t get my head around the fact that she was stripped of her British citizenship though. She should be brought back to the UK and dealt with by UK law.

So why did it take a documentary before you changed your mind? It's so patronising how you say all this stuff goes on. We know.
But a pp is correct. When she was first interviewed she was so fucking smug. She is only playing the victim now because it suits her to.
I don't want her back

The campn‘One of the most terrifying places on earth’ ? Suggest Manchester Stadium was a touch more unnerving.

Begum is being housed, fed and given healthcare in a secure community with freedom to socialise, watch telly, exercise classes, etc. I don’t have much opinion either way about her, not least cos our thoughts here don’t count much any more - she’s now a Syrian or other nationality tbc.

Incidentally, you can’t be stateless by international law, even if that’s what Pakistan are arguing (they don’t want to take her, crims are hideously expensive). You can have two states, but not none.

I’m more creeped out by her two toddler children dying ‘of starvation’. How? The adults were visibly not starving when they were photographing arrived from Isis. Malnutrition, maybe, but that’s different. Awful for all, don’t understand.

Exactly.

She's "at it" and you fell for it OP.
You're being groomed yourself.

Where did she commit crimes? As that's where she should be punished and rehabilitated

This!

I'm torn on it OP.

I watched the documentary and felt so sad for her. I really cannot see that she'd be a threat to British life and she was little more than a child when she was brainwashed into isis.

Losing three children before the age of nineteen is unthinkably sad.

But then, on the other hand, she has allegedly done terrible things. When I read those things, I think she must be abnormal in her psychology. Unsafe, psychopathic.

It's a very difficult situation.

I feel sorry for her parents. I feel sorry for the fifteen year old that was groomed. I don’t feel sorry for this adult that a short while ago had no remorse for what she did. My tune would be the exact same if she was white. My tune would be the exact same if she’d been groomed by a paedophile and then went on to abuse children herself, because by all accounts she didn’t just go out there and see to the housework and reproduce.

Watching her interviews and documentary, she has a really blank, emotionless personality. She mentioned she was depressed teenager so I wonder if that's just the way she is, and just lives with not much l sense of feeling? Like everything is just "meh" to her and is unfazed by it all. I don't know how to explain it, like she's incredibly detached and a bit soulless?. I think she may have been like this from before she joined though, as she mentioned she was a quiet depressed teenager. She definitely has a strange type of personality that I think doesn't play in her 'favour' really. It's like she can't show any remorse, even if she says the right things? Maybe she has some pre existing emotional/MH issues. Idk really what to think, gosh she was so young, still a child imho