Anyone watched the shamina begum documentary on bbc 2 ?

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Just watching it now

I've changed my mind . She was a child , groomed , no idea what she was getting into .

I don't think we should demonise one child forever . There are much bigger threats out there that people don't even realise.

Also people who say 'Why can't she name the Egyptian man etc' - clearly these people have no understanding of the threat that would be against her if she did start naming names. Do people not apply logic and common sense?

I watched it and not changed my mind, she is a vile excuse for a human, she deserves all she gets!!! The bbc should be ashamed trying to make people sympathetic to her. She didn't give a flying fuck when she organised the terror she did in ISIS. She's only acting sorry. Nah sorry fuck her and leave her to rot!!!

She is in danger the entire time she is there - how
Can she safely say anything whilst in Syria ? Seriously?

I suspect the reason many people do not want her to come back includes a large suspicion that, if she were allowed back for trial, the bleeding heart liberals would have her released fairly quickly no matter what the majority of people think.
It seems to me that she is still being evasive and less remorseful for what she has done than most of us are for our normal teenage transgressions of cider and a snog in the park

There will always be people with extreme views who believe the death penalty is a good idea or that British terrorists/traitors should lose their citizenship.

I really can’t take those views seriously.

It’s just mad to make another country look after British criminals.

What next? Putting murderers into boats and making the sail to France and then refusing to take them back because we’ve decided they’re not British anymore? Parachuting paedophiles into the EU?

She’s British. If she’s committed crimes she’ll go to prison. If not then she should be at home.

Oh, do she wasn't psrt of ISIS? Not involved with terrorist atrocities, beheadings etc?

My bad

Clearly you believe she's just a little scamp who is no threat to anyone and nothing will change your mind.

There is nothing - no evidence she actually did anything other than join them.
Marry an isis soldier and have 3 babies who died .

If anything was going to push her further into the arms of people who claim to have her back - this is it .

Bring her home . Work with prevent . Manage her here . Sense has to prevail over emotional propaganda.

I agree. She can't say anything if nobody is protecting her.
But you would think that our own intelligence services have offered her an out. Talk and we will get you home?

Many prisoners are victims of their circumstances

Op which prisoners aren’t victims of their circumstances?

That changed my mind in things too. Just heartbreaking. I haven't seen the documentary yet though

No. It’s just too sad. Groomed, trafficked, then a bunch of dead babies followed by indefinite detention in a hot tent. Rapists and murderers are punished far less.

I’ve always felt that it should be impossible for a child to fly without very clear evidence of parental permission. Yeah she wanted to join terrorists, so what, at age 15 I was a pagan who thought magic was real. Teens are dumb.

I think they shouldn’t have taken away her citizenship and should have allowed her to serve a sentence in UK.

My point is she hadn’t actually had a trial and been found guilty. I’m sure she has committed an offence….however we have a justice system in this country based on innocent until proven guilty.

bring her back, follow due process.

I think the Uk government should have tried to arrange for the baby to be returns to the UK from the camp.

How would they have done this? Can British officials walk into these camps and take away babies? (I don’t know if they can or can’t - though presumably journalists have access as Shamina has given a number of interviews).
What if Shamina hadn’t wanted to give up the baby?

I don't believe for one minute that she's an innocent victim.

What next? Putting murderers into boats and making the sail to France and then refusing to take them back because we’ve decided they’re not British anymore? Parachuting paedophiles into the EU?

Don’t be daft, we’re not likely to send them to an EU country. It will be Rwanda for the asylum seekers, and some other poor country for criminals. I’m sure Suella is busy working out which country is desperate enough.

I think her overtly western clothing is disingenuous and a giveaway that it is all an act. You can’t be isis bride one day and pop idol the next. All looks very PR managed and fake. Her initial interviews before someone prepared her for the liberal western palate is who she is. She was unapologetic, was going to name her unborn baby after a medieval jihadist.
Still, think she should get jail time over here. Not remain stateless. Think that’s part of a wider push to erode people’s rights.

I'm in two minds whether to watch it but seeing your posts I may well. I'm very firmly of the belief that she was a groomed and brainwashed child and what we've done to her is dreadful.

That's my point .

The prisons are full of people who are special needs , and we as a nation are getting things wrong . The answer is problem solving- not building more prisons . I concede some people cannot be rehabilitated- but many more could IF we learned form more forward thinking .

Then you need to ask yourself why the kids in care who succumbed to grooming gangs did what they did . I was bitten by one girl who insisted as a 12 year old that the 33 year old man in the bed in their hotel room was her boyfriend.
I doubt she would think that now .

Grooming is grooming . We can't rewrite the rules when we feel like it .

Monitored how? Who will be doing the monitoring? We all know how strapped the police are for funds and time, so why would it be a good idea for police time to be allocated to this one person 24/7? Because the reality is that that’s what it would take to ensure she didn’t start spreading propaganda and grooming others. Watch her first interviews - that’s the true face of her. The interviews afterwards were after her supporters and legal team coached how to play the game and tell us what we want to hear. Let her rot in the bed of her own making.

It's not borderline racism, it's actual straight-up 100% racism. If she was white then no way would anyone be saying she shouldn't be repatriated.

The worst thing is that the decision was taken by the first ever (I believe) non-white Home Secretary, because he was desperate to show everyone how tough and strong his British Values were 🙄

The police monitor people all the time.
Prevent .
Offender management.
Visor .

This is nothing new of out of the ordinary. She could be monitored here .

I’m assuming as journalists are there there is some method of safe passage, also other people have been bought back from the camps to various countries.

Im not saying it would have been easy and obviously if circumstance meant it was not possible then that is another matter.

my point is that the aim should be for British citizens at risk, especially small babies, to be rescued and returned to the UK where that is possible. That seems like a basic to me.

I think it was Kenneth Clarke (hardly the epitome of left-wing liberalism) who said at the time that (a) the Home Office was on very dicey ground and (b) if you really think people are a risk, it's better to have them in the system where you can see them rather than "rattling around Europe somewhere".

Jourdain11

Exactly. I would rather know where they are and what they're doing .