HAPPY VALLEY S3 - thread 7 to chat and muse about the last ever episode

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Several people have messaged me to ask if I will do another thread as still all chatting about it

6 is almost full so here you can linked to this one the previous 6

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Poor Tommeh, what a testament to SW's writing and JN's acting that you can have some conflicting sympathy for him.
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This

Sure many of if felt sorry for Tommy at the end

Yes he's a raving physco and rapist and murdering bastard

But maybe he could have been different*

About half an hour.......Queensbury is officially in Bradford but only just! Catherine's house is in Hebden Bridge.

Hoping tomorrow will be better /easier with boot

3w tomorrow

Prisoners are treated by medical staff like any other patient, I suspect there was no chance really he would have survived those, but I think having the hospital confirm his death left no ambiguity like oh wonder if he did actually survive. Yes there'd be appropriate police presence in cases like thus.

I must say, my disappointment in the finale wasn't because TLR didn't kill one of the main characters, or because Catherine didn't kill TLR.

There were just too many points that seemed a little too neat or far fetched. Alison just happening to have pills in her flat where Catherine slept that were supplied by Faisal, TLR breaking in a terraced row of houses in broad daylight (you can bet your arse I'd be glued to my window if I was Catherine's neighbour), never mind there not being a police car outside watching the house, Catherine not radioing through immediately when she saw the broken window, Catherine entering by herself, TLR being stabbed and half strangled yet manages to find the only rock in a field of grass to bludgeon his attacker with...

Ugh. No way claiming I could have written it better, mind, the acting was brilliant too.

From me too.

Thanks for the threads and all the contributions, they’ve really increased my enjoyment of the series.

I might watch the last episode again. I was satisfied overall, but think I might like it even more from a second viewing.

I want to make a special mention of the character of Alison, the way she’s written and so well portrayed in a quiet and incidental way, but gives us more insight and brings depth to Catherine outside of her family relationships and, provides a key for detectives to carry on policing the cases beyond Catherine’s story.

So many parts well written for women by SW.

I also like Ryan casually referring to ‘Uncle’ Neil. I know lots of people didn’t like Neil, but by supporting Clare, he’s also stabilising the extended family unit.

I also liked Beetroot Man’s complete indifference to his home being raided.
Even the virtually non speaking characters had depth.

I think it was a triumph.

Exactly. So powerful the emotions it generated from disgust and loathing to pitying (and fancying ).

The scene at the grave whe Becky was behind her holding her hand 😭.

Rhys Connah talks about this.
www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/happy-valley-ryan-rhys-connah-finale-exclusive-newsupdate/?utm_source=airship&utm_medium=webpush&utm_campaign=happy-valley-story-continue

I really enjoyed the final episode. I felt it tied things up nicely enough.

Faisel not knowing if the police knew about his involvement so would be (even more) on edge not knowing when the knock at the door would come.

I loved the scene with Clare and Catherine at Nevs where Clare was cooking dinner. Catherine was saying all those things about how maybe she should have trusted Ryan and let him see Tommy and Clare was moving her shoulders and hands like she was saying "well I did say that!", without actually saying the words. I did think at that moment Clare was going to be the one to die.

I did have a moment of sadness for Tommy, thinking about all the things he would have seen and heard as a child with his mother and the men who she was sleeping with, but he could have chosen to do things differently and go down a different path. But it was always someone else's fault, never his. He did seem to enjoy the power he had over people, especially the killings.

The scene in the kitchen was tense, not sure which way it was going to end. Poor crochet blanket! All those hours Clare put into it. I did wonder if she was either recording or broadcasting what was going on in her house when she pressed the officer in distress button. Is that a possibility?

I couldn't read the text messages so I might go back to that bit to see what was said, unless someone has done a screenshot?

I did like that it wasn't all finished with at the end. Life isn't like that and this felt like it was their life. There were hints of the leads the police were working on after CC had retired, but she wouldn't necessarily know their outcomes and so neither would we.
Ann had said her bit in the last episode, so didn't need to be in this one. Daniel was just a small part so wouldn't have either, but I do wonder if they will make it. If Ann will accept Ryan for who he is and not who his father is?
Richard had enough to deal with at home and probably the end of his marriage. I wonder if he will write his piece on the drug issue in the valley?

"We’ve had another bit of a tussle. I won, obviously." Wouldn't have expected anything else, Catherine⭐️

Did we find out why the PE teacher’s daughter refused to take her coat off?

Just a comfort blanket thing as a result of living in a violent home.

The little girl's coat will be her security blanket due to what she's going through at home. Just a subtle thing I suppose, like the padlock on the fridge not being properly explained.

I work with criminals , murderers and peadophiles. I kind of fell into the work, sally Wainwright has actually done a lot of background research. Usually these criminals have had terribly shit childhoods and believe it or not they can have some good personality traits. Some have a sense of humour etc it's actually quite rare for someone to be 100 percent pure pure evil. I've only met a few ,100 percent truly vile antisocial psychopaths in my career. It's incredibly rare. That's why people have had a little empathy for TLR and that's true in life.

Brilliant post. I agree 100%

Faisal is a coward and not a hardened criminal so I think he will be a snivelling mess when he is arrested and will confess to Joanne's murder. They will find his fingerprints and possibly dna in the house.

PLease don't say Saga "can't form personal relationships" because she's autistic. She actually clearly does in the series. Autistic people form relationships in different ways and with some difficulties, but they aren't incapable of it.

Yes this! It was all just a bit too …. neat?

I didn’t like the “ghost” of Becky either, seemed unnecessary to me. The album was enough to show her to us.

I did like it and found it tense in parts, but some of it was just too tidy.

Yes and his pharmacy assistant obv has a good memory and will be able to say for certain that he had met with the two meathead thugs.

pity the poor farmer who came across those three bodies in their field. Especially the guy whose face Tommy caved in.

@Bunniesue thank you - I was thinking along those lines myself and that text was a very neat way of dealing with it.

She forms a lovely relationship with Henrik. They accept each others quirks.

Yes. His little smirk when he heard the two thugs had been arrested and thought he'd got away with it!

His acting in that scene was just amazing. That bedroom was like paradise to Tommy.

I was a bit surprised at the lack of drama at the end, and also that Ryan didn’t feature, but having slept on it I think the ending was very clever.

Why did the OCG decide to kill TLR? Was it because him killing Catherine would have drawn attention to them so they made the decision then? Or did they always plan to? If the latter, why did Darius bother to try to talk him out of it?

Faizel will be arrested for drugs offences and have his fingerprints and possibly DNA taken. They will obviously put him in the Hepworth's house and he will sing like the proverbial canary (as long as they protect him from his wife).

I don't need to see that or Rob being charged with incidents involving minors or previous assaults on his wife.

The heart of this is the love between Catherine, Claire and Ryan and the powerful good vs evil crescendo. It had to end in the death of either Catherine of Tommy and I think that the denouement was over the kitchen table was perfect.

I may have paid slightly more attention to next door's builders goings on with a petrol can than I usually would...