HAPPY VALLEY S3 - TV PACE - NO SPOILERS - thread 5

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oh exciting !!! Last episode forever on Sunday

what will we all do - sure will be another Sunday night drama on week after 😂😂

what will happen to our Ryan

will Tommy die (I think he has to) so no threat ever again and Catherine and Ryan can live happily every after

Darius /mob have to be the ones who kill him as he’s a liability

chemist needs to pay for what he did to jo

will Alison’s double de clutch come into play in a car chase

other threads below if you want to have a read of our thoughts , plots and lustings 😂

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Here we go

I’m thinking Catherine and Ryan driving off into the sunset but driving over TLR, reversing back, and then forward for good measure, before continuing on the journey. Ryan can say ‘did you feel that bump?’ and Catherine can say ‘just a pothole?’ and Ryan says ‘will the wheels be ok?’ and C can end with ‘they’ll be alright.’

And in another interview the Ryan actor said the 4 endings thing is a myth.

But that they filmed in such a way that until the editing was complete no one would know exactly how the ending played out.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but about Catherine not saying love you back when Ryan did.

Daniel had been telling Ryan all that Catherine had done for him- ie actions speak louder than words. When they got into Nev's house, Ryan commented about his games console. Catherine then told him she'd given police a list of belongings to collect. Which showed Ryan she'd thought about him. Aside from it being used to contact TLR, it's been referenced several times this series as something important to Ryan (like lots of teenagers!)

This is one of my favourite series, I can't wait to see how it finishes next week, even if I don't want it to end!

Ryan’s GCSEs are certainly playing their part. There’s mention of homework in pretty much every episode, and Catherine correcting his English. He’s said he needs English and Maths to get an apprenticeship. Clearly it’s something he’s putting effort into.

But TLR doesn’t care. Told Ryan he doesn’t need to bother with them. “I love you but I don’t give a fuck about your future.”

Catherine wouldn’t be leaving until after his exams, and probably results, too.

So I’m hoping there’ll be a ‘Six months later’ epilogue with Ryan busily apprenticed and Catherine, on a distant mountain range, swearing at her car …

Thinking about it - does TLR have to die? He drew such joy and delight from being out in the open air of his native land … All it would take to destroy him would be to remove the possibility of ever cycling up a hill again.

Catastrophic injury, say.

Strapped to a hospital bed in a care home, with a lovely view outside the window, but no eyes, or limbs, or cognition.

Maybe, in the melee we anticipate, he will just be run over by a truck. Not by Catherine and Ryan, we’d hope, more likely one of the TweedleMasterminds.

He’d be well looked after. Ryan could visit what’s left of him, every week. With Catherine’s blessing.

Just rewatching series 3 whilst I wait for Sunday. I don’t understand the kerfuffle in the prison when TLR is serving chips. That is how he got the micro phone - but did it happen so that someone could slip him the phone? It’s not clear to me how he got the phone.

And also the priest and fellow prisoner who grassed him up about Gary K’s murder - was the body of G found and then he said to the priest and fellow lag that he had done the murder / so only after the body was found?

TLR was only 20 when he first went to prison - it seems really odd to me that he was masquerading with such hardened criminals then. And that they would spring him from jail. He wasn’t out of prison for that long a period when he met Ashley? I always thought the Ashley thing was quite low key and that he was just in right place right time for the Ann kidnap - and he was willing to kill her for a v low amount £5k or something.

TLR was probably knocking about with serious gangs from a very young age, so prison sentence at 20 wouldn’t be unusual. He certainly didn’t have a very nice childhood, which is no doubt what contributed hugely to the way he is now. He’s a product of his environment, with (sadly) the intelligence to want to make more of his life than maybe Lewis Whippey etc, which has been his downfall. He’s proven himself to be reliable, can keep his mouth shut and will murder for money and/or safety, so ideal for Darius to keep him on side until now.

Has anyone seen the trailer on Twitter?😱😱xxx

20 isn't young at all for a hardened criminal given that he has probably been mixed up in gangs and drugs from a young age. County lines gangs go for vulnerable young kids with prostitute drug addicted mothers.

Thanks for the tip off @blobby10 - looks exciting!

The ‘alien’ PC, isn’t he the one who made the crass joke about Catherine waving the ketchup bottle around in the last series, alluding to her being under suspicion for murdering and sexually assaulting the murdered women? So she has little time for his complaints about bullying?

So I’m hoping there’ll be a ‘Six months later’ epilogue with Ryan busily apprenticed and Catherine, on a distant mountain range, swearing at her car …

I was just coming on to say I reckon the last 10 minutes will be the epilogue - a year later. Showing how the main characters have been rebuilding their lives, relationships and mental health after this awful time. And prison sentences for some.

Oooh just looked 👀

I'm still not buying that CC will kill TLR, few kicks etc as he lay dying maybe. But she's not a killer. I'm still going with she stands over him dying and tells him what an atrocious c*nt he is, tells him how Ryan will go on to be a better man than he could ever dream of being.
Maybe the 6 months later will be CC calling from her camper (she's only going for a few months not forever) and she's talking to Ryan who's driving a forklift under Alison's supervision as part of his apprenticeship. He's living with Nev to keep him company with Daniel and Claire checking on him.

I've not changed my mind on the first bit just adding in my 6 months later 😃

Of course I do!

IT HAS FEATHERS ON IT!

@WilburTheIron oh yes spot on

It struck me as significant.

Bless the lovely softies walking among us who think it would be quite nice really if Catherine forgave TLR!

Sadly, forgiveness isn't a switch we can just flick - if only it was Even if you decide to forgive someone it can take a lifetime of work.

There's a wonderful book "If you sit very still" by Marion Partington describing her forgiveness process. Her sister Lucy was one of the tragic victims of Rose and Fred West. She describes the hatred and rage she felt for them - and how she realised it was both keeping her alive and destroying her, and she made a conscious decision to let it go. It took years and it was far from easy. One of the things that helped was when she learned what dreadful lives the two of them had had as children - how frightened they had been, and how they had been corrupted. The pity she felt for the child that used to be Rose overwhelmed her. It enabled her to detach herself from that rage and pain and hatred, and begin to live properly again.

If Catherine could open herself to that - feeling pity for the child that was Tommy, the neglected, probably battered, possibly sexually abused, definitely terrified child of a heroin-addicted prostitute, seeing and hearing and experiencing things no child should ever see or hear or experience - if she could feel sympathy for baby Tommy, toddler Tommy, child Tommy - then perhaps she could start to let go of the hatred which is destroying her and her relationships.

It seems that Ryan, young as he is, already has that insight.

Does you good, doesn't it, @MrsAvocet - being a bonnie lass again 😊

I wonder if those feelings took him emotionally back to what must have been an horrific childhood - being left out in the cold and told not to come in because his mother was with a bloke; not being sure whether it was safe to enter - and then being put in that filthy, horrible room and left to his own devices. Quite a few people have commented how he was showing off to Ryan, desperate for approval - "Look at me. Aren't I clever? Aren't I good?"

Oh bugger! Now I'M ready to weep for him . . .😢

They might just be saying they've filmed umpteen endings, but haven't really.

So sorry not had time to rtt so forgive if this has been raised already but did you notice the senior cop said at the briefing that Joanna's blood had been found all over the house?

I didn't notice that. Now I will have to watch it all over again. 😊<pleased>

Behave yourself @blobby10 ! 😠

You know I can resist anything except temptation.

AND YOU @HannaHat ! Stoppit now!

<bites own thumbs>

I WILL NOT SUCCUMB! <determined>

(Sorry for so many posts in a big lump. I tend to go crackers when I'm catching up on a morning)

@Emotionalsupportviper - its not a terribly informative trailer tbh

I think Richard mentions it to Catherine too doesn't he about the terrible childhood he had and how he's a product of his environment.
Don't make me start feeling a bit sorry for TLR 😆

THEY HAVEN’T FILMED ‘DIFFERENT ENDINGS’.

As in different narratives. They filmed the same scenes in different ways so that it will be hard for cast and crew to know how it will all come out in the editing.

Interview with Rhys Connah
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64413057.amp

“I do not know exactly how it ends. I did hear somewhere that they've made multiple endings, but that's not true," he says.
"What they've done is, as a lot of shows do - there is one ending, but they've filmed it in different ways, different ways of how characters say things, the emotions behind them, the angles, the framing, because how much that stuff can affect a scene is more than most people would think."”