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The Traitors - thread 3

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IconicKitty · 22/12/2022 14:32

Who will be victorious?

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Penguinsaregreat · 02/01/2023 18:24

Interesting psychology. I’m on the Australian traitors thread too. I’m more than half way through the episodes and the intelligent players all get picked off or mostly get picked off because they are a threat.
In life those who work hard are often not the most highly rewarded.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 02/01/2023 18:30

The incident where they fight to get the shield in the water - I’m gobsmacked that the person who put another person’s life massively at risk wasn’t kicked out or even spoken to for that

JustMeNameChanger · 02/01/2023 18:33

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 02/01/2023 18:30

The incident where they fight to get the shield in the water - I’m gobsmacked that the person who put another person’s life massively at risk wasn’t kicked out or even spoken to for that

Did they though? It looked like a dunking I see happening every day at my local pool. Dunked person showed no distress at all. Until they mentioned it as psychological game play to back up why they voted as they voted.

Lentilweaver · 02/01/2023 18:56

Dunked person- Nigel Brennan- has been through far worse and is likely unfazed by anything Angus throws at him!

WeDontNeedToTalkAboutJamie · 02/01/2023 18:58

What is the task you're discussing? Is it from the Australian one? In which case can you please discuss it on the Australian traitors thread.

Lentilweaver · 02/01/2023 18:59

Aargh so sorry. Wrong thread!

burnoutbabe · 02/01/2023 20:29

Stylist had an article saying how amazing the women were in this series.

I couldn't disagree alot without spoiling the finale -ie they only won as a man basically grassed up the other traitor. They didn't work it out in any other way. We didn't"underestimate them", they didn't win due to their own skills, beyond being naïveté and too trusting!

HassallGreen · 02/01/2023 20:34

TottersBlankly · 02/01/2023 13:55

Hannah and Meryl - it's an absolute travesty they got a penny. They were the most CLUELESS players in the game right up until the very last minute.

But isn’t this a really interesting observation on real life? Surely there have to be occasions when not being the smartest or quickest or most ruthless is actually an advantage in terms of survival.

Valuable lesson!

Yes! I completely agree, it was a really interesting lesson!

CoffeeBoy · 02/01/2023 21:12

PuppyMonkey · 02/01/2023 14:00

Completely disagree about Kieran running things at the end. It’s the game, you can say what you like at Round Table - doesn’t mean you’re telling the truth and everyone else HAS to believe you. Kieran could’ve just been a shit stirrer for all anyone else at the table knew.

I might be wrong but I disagree. He said his comments after the voting, not while they were trying to convince people before the voting. Also there was something in the first episode that traitors had to agree not to confess to being a traitor or tell anyone who another traitor was. And Kieron did not abide by that rule.

Rowthe · 02/01/2023 21:50

LindorDoubleChoc · 02/01/2023 10:43

Yes. I agree completely. I was a late watcher too. I can't believe people on this thread, who watched the whole lot, are actually happy with that outcome.

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Theres plenty that aren't.

I definitely wasnt.

Kieron cheated. Wilf should have definitely won, in future they will have to do something to change the format so the same couldn't be done again.

ReneBumsWombats · 02/01/2023 22:10

What did Kieran say that was so different from Wilf constantly repeating "you'll feel terrible if you vote me out and I go up there and announce that I'm a Faithful"?

People were saying who they thought was a traitor all the time. The reason they believed Kieran was because he was already marked as a traitor thanks to Wilf, and he was cryptic rather than coming right out with it. If he'd said "I'm not a traitor but I think Wilf is", which is basically what Wilf kept saying about all the others, they probably wouldn't have believed him.

For all they knew, he could have been bluffing. Meryl thought he was.

LindorDoubleChoc · 02/01/2023 22:15

I know @Rowthe. It would be interesting to go back through the thread and do a little informal survey. If only I wasn't working tomorrow I might be tempted!

When Claudia appointed the traitors there was a big thing made of the contract not to reveal who the other traitors were, no matter what, and they all promised. Keiron did reveal Will, he could not have made it clearer without using the actual words. He did it as an act of revenge, fair enough maybe depending on your pov, but he broke the rules of the game. If he hadn't said what he said the other three would have thought they'd found the final traitor and were splitting the prize between four. He deliberately planted a huge seed of doubt.

CoffeeBoy · 02/01/2023 22:31

ReneBumsWombats · 02/01/2023 22:10

What did Kieran say that was so different from Wilf constantly repeating "you'll feel terrible if you vote me out and I go up there and announce that I'm a Faithful"?

People were saying who they thought was a traitor all the time. The reason they believed Kieran was because he was already marked as a traitor thanks to Wilf, and he was cryptic rather than coming right out with it. If he'd said "I'm not a traitor but I think Wilf is", which is basically what Wilf kept saying about all the others, they probably wouldn't have believed him.

For all they knew, he could have been bluffing. Meryl thought he was.

The difference is when people were saying I think x is a traitor all the time they were either faithfuls or pretending to be so that was part of the game.

when Kieron did it he knew he was about to be exposed as a traitor. So the minute they know he’s a traitor they know if there was another traitor he would know who it was and it was obvious from what he said about how voting for Wilf was a parting gift to the rest that he was saying Wilf was also a traitor. And the rules sad that traitors aren’t allowed to expose other traitors. And he exposed Wilf.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 02/01/2023 22:38

WeDontNeedToTalkAboutJamie · 02/01/2023 18:58

What is the task you're discussing? Is it from the Australian one? In which case can you please discuss it on the Australian traitors thread.

Shit sorry didn’t realise I posted on the UK thread! Doh!

nc824 · 02/01/2023 22:50

For me it was the fact he did it after being voted out, it wasn't a tactical move to trick people into keeping him in, it was a sore loser throwing the monopoly board in the air and leaving the room.

Rowthe · 02/01/2023 23:28

Even when he was saying bye after being voted out he was doing head movements and pointing with his eyes towards Wilf.

ReneBumsWombats · 03/01/2023 04:52

CoffeeBoy · 02/01/2023 22:31

The difference is when people were saying I think x is a traitor all the time they were either faithfuls or pretending to be so that was part of the game.

when Kieron did it he knew he was about to be exposed as a traitor. So the minute they know he’s a traitor they know if there was another traitor he would know who it was and it was obvious from what he said about how voting for Wilf was a parting gift to the rest that he was saying Wilf was also a traitor. And the rules sad that traitors aren’t allowed to expose other traitors. And he exposed Wilf.

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But that still doesn't make any difference gamewise. Wilf knew Alyssa and Amanda were traitors when he exposed them. Part of the game is accusing people of being traitors. They only had Kieran pegged because of Wilf. If traitors aren't supposed to accuse each other, Wilf should have been booted when he betrayed Alyssa.

From the Faithfuls' perspective, Kieran could have been bluffing. Meryl thought he was. The only real difference is that Kieran was cryptic rather than open in his accusation, which actually made it more believable. And what else was he supposed to do, after Wilf had stitched him up so everyone was already determined to vote for him? Just sit back and say nothing?

He only did what Wilf had done every time he was under fire - deflect on another traitor. And they only believed him because Wilf had got them onside.

idiotfacelicker · 03/01/2023 08:00

I agree with Rene. The only thing that made what Keiran said an absolute dead give away was Wilfs reaction. He played it wrong. He wasn't prepared for it and reacted just like a guilty party traitor would. A more relaxed, eye rolling, "here we go again, traitors trying to divide the faithful again", treating it like obvious nonsense, approach might have convinced the others. They weren't the sharpest and wanted a reason to believe him.

blobby10 · 03/01/2023 09:15

Did anyone else get a feeling of deja vu when watching Wilf get revealed and the way Daniel Mays character looked at the end of Ashes to Ashes?!!! Grin

ReneBumsWombats · 03/01/2023 09:17

I loved it because it felt like poetic justice. Wilf had got that far by using his traitor knowledge to expose other traitors. Then, with Kieran, he got hoisted by his own petard. Because Kieran actually made use of the fact that Wilf had exposed him...the only reason they believed Kieran was because Wilf had convinced them he was a traitor.

If Wilf had stuck to the agreement this time, they might both have made it out by accusing Aaron...or Kieran might have felt enough goodwill not to bring Wilf down with him. As he said at the round table, there was nothing he could do to save himself at that point because they'd all already made up their minds before they went in. Making too many enemies is always a risk.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the producers had a hand in it, but honestly I don't care. Such a great arc.

CoffeeBoy · 03/01/2023 09:36

ReneBumsWombats · 03/01/2023 04:52

But that still doesn't make any difference gamewise. Wilf knew Alyssa and Amanda were traitors when he exposed them. Part of the game is accusing people of being traitors. They only had Kieran pegged because of Wilf. If traitors aren't supposed to accuse each other, Wilf should have been booted when he betrayed Alyssa.

From the Faithfuls' perspective, Kieran could have been bluffing. Meryl thought he was. The only real difference is that Kieran was cryptic rather than open in his accusation, which actually made it more believable. And what else was he supposed to do, after Wilf had stitched him up so everyone was already determined to vote for him? Just sit back and say nothing?

He only did what Wilf had done every time he was under fire - deflect on another traitor. And they only believed him because Wilf had got them onside.

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It made a massive difference. When Wilf was accusing Amanda, etc the others didn’t know he was a traitor with insider knowledge. So they gave no more weight to his comments than to anyone else such as Maddie accusing everyone. But when Kieron accused Wilf people now knew he was a traitor and had insider knowledge. Plus he was making his comments after he’d been voted out so it was no longer game play to save himself. It was purely to crush Wilf and Hannah realised the only reason he would do this if they were both traitors and he was angry at being betrayed.

CoffeeBoy · 03/01/2023 09:38

If Wilf had stuck to the agreement this time, they might both have made it out by accusing Aaron...or Kieran might have felt enough goodwill not to bring Wilf down with him. As he said at the round table, there was nothing he could do to save himself at that point because they'd all already made up their minds before they went in. Making too many enemies is always a risk.

I don’t think accusing Aaron would have worked. If he had been voted off he’d have declared himself a faithful and then everyone would know there was still a traitor and probably a man and would have kept going.

Wilf should have recruited Aaron and then done to Aaron what he did to Kieron because I don’t think Aaron would have ratted on him.

ReneBumsWombats · 03/01/2023 09:42

When Wilf was accusing Amanda, etc the others didn’t know he was a traitor with insider knowledge.

And whose fault was it that they believed Kieran to be a traitor with inside knowledge even before they entered the round table?

ReneBumsWombats · 03/01/2023 09:47

CoffeeBoy · 03/01/2023 09:38

If Wilf had stuck to the agreement this time, they might both have made it out by accusing Aaron...or Kieran might have felt enough goodwill not to bring Wilf down with him. As he said at the round table, there was nothing he could do to save himself at that point because they'd all already made up their minds before they went in. Making too many enemies is always a risk.

I don’t think accusing Aaron would have worked. If he had been voted off he’d have declared himself a faithful and then everyone would know there was still a traitor and probably a man and would have kept going.

Wilf should have recruited Aaron and then done to Aaron what he did to Kieron because I don’t think Aaron would have ratted on him.

Thats true. But if Wilf hadn't betrayed Kieran, Kieran might have felt enough friendliness towards him to let him win if he was next off.

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 03/01/2023 13:18

But that still doesn't make any difference gamewise. Wilf knew Alyssa and Amanda were traitors when he exposed them. Part of the game is accusing people of being traitors. They only had Kieran pegged because of Wilf. If traitors aren't supposed to accuse each other, Wilf should have been booted when he betrayed Alyssa.
From the Faithfuls' perspective, Kieran could have been bluffing. Meryl thought he was. The only real difference is that Kieran was cryptic rather than open in his accusation, which actually made it more believable. And what else was he supposed to do, after Wilf had stitched him up so everyone was already determined to vote for him? Just sit back and say nothing?
He only did what Wilf had done every time he was under fire - deflect on another traitor. And they only believed him because Wilf had got them onside.

Yes I agree. Plus I think it was Wilf's reaction to Kieron that actually made him suspicious, it was so over the top. Plus what could the producers do to Kieran? They'd put him in a really shit position where he couldn't win whatever he did so they could hardly complain if he behaved how he did? And it made for a really good tense last episode so job done.