The Traitors - thread 3

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Who will be victorious?

Wilf was always going to have to vote Kieron off. They all thought there was still another traitor in the group so if they'd voted off Hannah/Aaron/Meryl first then they'd have kept going until they voted off a traitor. Wilf and Kieron both knew it would be one or the other of them to go first. But I thought it was poor sportsmanship for Kieron to out Wilf in the way he did. Had he not made those comments the others would have believed Wilf to be faithful (which would have made better viewing for the programme).

I've been team Wilf from the start but his promising to swear on anyone's life (what, even your kids' lives Wilf?) and then the ultimatum were steps too far. He lost the plot at the end and deserved to lose. Aaron deserved to win, genuinely lovely guy and did more than anyone to amass the total prize fund. Hannah had a bit of a redemption arc in finally working out the massive clues Kieran threw out. Also props to Hannah, I'm a big bloke myself and don't think I'd have the guts to jump out of a helicopter like she did. Kieran is a nasty prick as a human being but sly like a fox and Wilf fucked up by choosing him as a fellow traitor then thinking he could throw him under the bus without consequences. Meryl demonstrated why it's sometimes good to be just bland enough that no one takes any notice of you.

Sorry Maddy wasn't there to share the prize fund, I liked Maddy.

I don’t think Kieran did anything wrong. He did to Wilf what Wilf has been doing all along, implicating someone else. Why should he not put up a fight, Wilf did. Wilf always carried on throwing temper tantrums it just became more obvious at the end because there were less of them. He had no dignity or composure at all.
He was prepared to sacrifice anyone, and was instrumental in banishing both Alyssa and Amanda he voted both of them out. I would have done the same as Kieran. It’s a game and you can use tactics to plant seeds in your opponents minds. Kieran wanted the faithful to win and not be screwed over by the slimey snake. If I was in the faithful’s shoes I would have said I want another banishment and I’m voting Wilf out. I don’t trust him. My thoughts would be I think he is lying and if im wrong I don’t care. At least I’ll get more money!

wilf suffered to get to the very end but i was persuaded that it was better that the money was shared

kieron was definately a poor sportsman, amanda could have had similar parting shots

This, exactly.

So brilliant and I'm so happy that Aaron won. He really grew on me towards the end. I'm even crosser now at how shitty John was to him.

I’m really happy with the ending. Especially for Aaron. Kieron didn’t want to be a traitor & knew he was being set up by Will. Will had a taste of his own medicine.

I've just rewatched the last 20 mins. Wilf was absolutely chilling on how far he was prepared to go to get that money. I presume it was sheer panic.

Meryl was completely clueless!

I always thought there was something off about Kieron, something actorly about him, was he a plant?

I too was thinking about how much of a shit John was to Aaron, the lad was only being polite and asking about his job. Just normal questions about how long he had been doing that job and what the training involved and John went mental and stared accusing him of being a traitor! I think I’ll watch the whole series again I enjoyed it that much.

The ending really spoilt this for me. Traitors should not be able to indicate in any way who other traitors are (more than they would about a faithful) as that is unfair and not in the spirit. It was Kieron’s comment alone that lost Wilf it. I didn’t really care who won but I didn’t like how that happened at all.

But why not, and how so? Discussing who you think is a traitor is crucial to the game. And we never minded when the traitors implicated a Faithful.

I'm going to watch Kieran at the round table again, but I don't remember him saying anything past the rules. Just that he knew someone had been bringing his name up and calling for him to be banished during that day (correct) and they were all being fooled (standard accusation in the game), and "parting gift" at Wilf, which was also fine because, well, Kieran was definitely leaving. If you're going to implicate someone during the day, why can't you do it at the round table? Nobody would care if he'd been implicating a Faithful, which they did all the time.

I really don't think what Kieron did is the same as what Wilf did to Amanda and Alyssa. Will indicated them being traitors in a way a faithful would - manipulative, underhand yes but not cheating.

Kieron basically told them there was another traitor by saying things like I feel sorry for some of you, you will find out soon. By then putting up Wills name and saying this is my parting gift he then told them it was Will. He went further than that and actually signalled to Hannah that is was Will. At this point K had basically said to vote him out so there was no reason for him to lie about W being a traitor- the game was as good as over.

W objective was to get to the final undetected as a traitor and despite doubt on him earlier on , he did that. K only knew he wss a traitor because he had been given that information- at the time he found out , he no longer thought W was a traitor. The others won not because they figured it out but because they were as good as told there is another traitor- I don't think K could have given it away any better short of actually saying it.

Makes me laugh everyone saying K did to W what W did, backstabbing him - that was Ws objective. In other versions of the show traitors vote out traitors all the time - W was quite soft compared to other versions of the show, he only went against Alyssa when it wss clear it was him or her - in other versions they do it as a very cynical strategy from early on.

I think Kieran played it well. Wilf threw him under the bus and he got his revenge. it made god tv, and thats good. watching Hannah was interesting.
I wonder if the Wilf we saw at the end was the real wilf, and not the edited to look bad.

K only knew he wss a traitor because he had been given that information- at the time he found out , he no longer thought W was a traitor.

When Kieran saw Wilf to be recruited, he didn't show any surprise and said "fucking knew it." I can believe it, but Hannah and Meryl were so blinded, how could he persuade them?

I don't see how it was any different to something like Alyssa implicating Nicky by saying she hadn't raised her glass. Kieran could have been bluffing for all they knew.

I loved Kieran's parting gift, great telly!
Wilf then went OTT with his denial, that's what gave him away really I think.

This.

Kieron saw that he was gonna lose and pretty much told them there was a another traitor and who it was.

I don’t think what Kieran did was cheating, it was just a different way of accusing someone else at the round table. There was nothing stopping him saying “well I think Wilf is a traitor” during the day or at the round table. He did it more cryptically, maybe due to some encouragement from the producers for entertainment value, or maybe because he knew that the cryptic approach would more likely result in the others voting Wilf out. I would absolutely have done the same thing.

Kieran was clearly really pissed off which was entertaining. And he knew what was going to happen - he might not be the nicest bloke but he was astute.

I liked Hannah all the way through. I don’t think she’s thick as mince as many have said. I think she was blinded by Wilf but otherwise came across well. She was kept in by Wilf because of her nearly unwavering loyalty to him, but not because she wasn’t strong or wasn’t smart. I also don’t know why people keep bringing her down for being a comedian but not being funny. She might have only just started out in comedy, or her comedy performances might be character based etc. I think she has got a lot of stick but I thought she was a great contestant, especially during missions.

Aaron was great and I’m so glad he won, especially after what that awful man John did to him.

Meryl was on another planet frankly - so gullible! And pretty boring to be honest.

I did not like Wilf so I’m glad the faithful one. Especially for Hannah, she would have been fuming, rightly so, if Wilf had won.

I agree what Kieran did was great, why shouldn’t he have said what he said about Wilf? It’s part of the game & Wilfs reaction to it, is what ultimately lost it for him.
I don’t understand some people who think he should’ve just left and not said anything about Wilf even though he’d been thrown under a bus - it’s not unsportsmanlike at all, if the traitors turn on each other then that is all part of the game & Wilf shouldn’t have picked Kieran as a traitor if he didn’t want any retaliation when banishing him. He should’ve picked Meryl as traitor if he wanted someone to skulk off when banished, it was his choice to have kieran.
Although saying that I would’ve liked Wilf to have won just to see their shocked faces!

@ReneBumsWombats because he did know it, he voted for him on the night W nearly went. But then after that he showed no signs of thinking it was still him and moved past it - so I took his comment to mean I was right in the first place.

So he kind of did know, and i agree he may have voted for him in a way that Hannah and Meryl never would but the way he behaved in the final wasn't along the lines of I think W is a traitor it was definitely more saying I know for definite.

That said in some ways it was a good ending, really pleased for Arran, he was definitely put through it and did well to survive being nearly voted off countless times. It would have been devastating to see Will steal the money from Hannah. But in a way you've kind of said why I didn't like the ending - Hannah and Meryl would never have voted for Will in a million years, he played a blinder. But they did vote for him and I think that was only because of what K did, there is no way they would have finally twigged otherwise which is why I do kind of feel that it felt unfair. I know others disagree and I'm probably far too invested 😆

Totally agree

Kieran went very close to the line with his final speech, but it was the looking at Hannah and darting his eyes at Wilf and the nod that ruined it. Totally bad sportsmanship.

Wilf fucked up when he chose Kieran to be traitor, but I don't think anyone could have anticipated Kieran being such a crap traitor 😂 it was written all over his face from breakfast onwards.

Im just glad Aaron won, he's such a sweetheart.

I don't think what Kieron did was cheating. But I think he went a bit too far and laid it on too think.
That said, he probably needed to for some of the faithful that were left - had it been some of the cleverer ones still left he might have got away with being a bit more subtle!

I do feel it might have spoilt it a bit for future series though. Amanda's dragon reference was a good line but ultimately an empty threat because what could she do? I think in future series we might see more of traitors giving clues when outed, or at least threatening to.

I do wonder how the series would have gone if the voting had been secret and anonymous. There were too many people who just followed the pack and didn't think for themselves. I think it would mean more people would have had to put their neck out in discussions rather than just saying "I don't know. It's hard" and then copying everyone else at the round table. It could make the traitors paranoid and kill the wrong person. I also think more people would have followed Maddie's Aaron theory if they could do it without having to look him in the eye.

But they did vote for him and I think that was only because of what K did

Ah, see, I think it was because of what Wilf did. He tried yet again to turn on a traitor after promising that this time it would be best to work as a team, and this time he'd met his match. People always do eventually. He set Kieran up so that even before they went into the round table, Kieran had nothing to lose.

And you know what they say about a man with nothing to lose...

I did also think maybe Wilf right at the end instead of panicking and swearing on everything he holds dear, he should have called for another banishment and chosen the red smoke. He should have said that if he was a traitor he wouldn't do that, especially given what Kieron had implied.

It's a risky strategy but they probably would have believed it given that they all seemed to think that Maddie putting the £3k into the prize fund proved she was faithful even though it's exactly what a traitor would have done!