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The Traitors - thread 3

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IconicKitty · 22/12/2022 14:32

Who will be victorious?

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ReneBumsWombats · 23/12/2022 09:32

Amanda's dragon reference was a good line but ultimately an empty threat because what could she do?

She could have done a Kieran!

I suspect the producers were manipulating things a bit (and I don't care, it was glorious). But I think that, much as I loved her, she probably was a bit less ruthless than Kieran. Also, although she went into the round table in a weaker position, that was partly due to her blunder about Theo.Kieran didn't make a blunder like that, he was entirely brought in by Wilf. And I don't think her fate was totally sealed from the start like Kieran's was.

It was different because she was at least partly the architect of her own fall - not entirely orchestrated by Wilf - and she didn't walk in to the round table with nothing to lose from the start.

Romeiswheretheheartis · 23/12/2022 09:34

I've just rewatched the last 20 mins. Wilf was absolutely chilling on how far he was prepared to go to get that money. I presume it was sheer panic.

Exactly. Which is why it was such bollocks when he went on about how relieved and pleased he was for them all when he was finally outed. Like hell he was. If they'd not got him, he'd have taken all that money and gloated with it.

ReneBumsWombats · 23/12/2022 09:37

Maybe he was primed by the producers on what to say if he lost. A furious, cloak-swishing exit would be very villainous and fun, but the redemption was really nice. They do seem to have got on very well as a group and to like each other, so it's nice to know there are no hard feelings and they do care about each other even while they play the game.

happinessischocolate · 23/12/2022 09:42

Romeiswheretheheartis · 23/12/2022 09:34

I've just rewatched the last 20 mins. Wilf was absolutely chilling on how far he was prepared to go to get that money. I presume it was sheer panic.

Exactly. Which is why it was such bollocks when he went on about how relieved and pleased he was for them all when he was finally outed. Like hell he was. If they'd not got him, he'd have taken all that money and gloated with it.

I disagree, when Wilf talked in the chair afterwards he looked genuinely happy for the first time in the whole series.

I think he found it a burden, "win £100k but betray everyone" what would anyone do?

His downfall was not backing Amanda when she had repeatedly backed him and thinking him and Kieran had a "bro code", but he never heard the many conversations where Amanda backed him, we did.

SUBisYodrethwhenLarping · 23/12/2022 09:48

There is a lovely video on instagram of AMOS WITH ANDREA in her horse and cart Xmas SmileXmas GrinXmas Smile

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 23/12/2022 09:49

I didn’t really care who won but I didn’t like how that happened at all.

I agree with this and also the argument laid out by @Ineedaholidaynowplease a few posts ago.

Also, I understand why Wilf reacted the way he did. After weeks of this, to be that close to £100k... it would be hard to stay cool.

nokia3310000 · 23/12/2022 09:51

Penguinsaregreat · 23/12/2022 08:11

I too was thinking about how much of a shit John was to Aaron, the lad was only being polite and asking about his job. Just normal questions about how long he had been doing that job and what the training involved and John went mental and stared accusing him of being a traitor! I think I’ll watch the whole series again I enjoyed it that much.

John was awful then and is probably one of those people that has one sided conversations where he never asks any questions so he was surprised when Aaron was, shock horror, actually interested in him.

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 23/12/2022 09:52

Imagine if Alyssa had reacted the same way as Kieran. "Vote for me if you like, but I tell you this - you're all being played by a couple of very clever, manipulative people. I'm going to vote for Wilf or Amanda. They're as bad as each other. That's my parting shot".

That's why I reckon Kieran broke the rules.

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 23/12/2022 10:03

Oooh, I've just seen footage (edit?) of Kieran communicating with his eyes to Hannah that it's Wilf. It happens at 41:24.

LipsSoScarlet · 23/12/2022 10:04

As much as Will talked about his “bro code” and how he wasn’t sure whether to split with Kieran or not, he specifically chose Kieran from the beginning to throw him under the bus. He said that two women had already been revealed as traitors and everybody would expect a third traitor to be a man. That’s why he recruited Kieran. He never had any intention of splitting that money!

Frabbits · 23/12/2022 10:04

The show was heavily weighted towards the faithful winning at the end, as soon as they introduced the recruit or die mechanism it was pretty obvious how it was going to go as it severely disadvantaged Wilf at that point.

At that point, he had 2 ways to win:

Convince everyone else to vote off Kieron who would reveal he was a traitor and then split the cash 4 ways.

Team up with Kieron and then they would have to get rid of 2 faithful as otherwise the faithful would never agree to end the game.

Kieron was a shit traitor so the first option was clearly the way to go and that way Wilf would keep all the money rather than having to split it with that 3/4 length cardigan wearing twat. The problem is that in the round table Kieron...

  • Admitted he was a traitor
  • Said there was another traitor
  • Told everybody who the traitor was

To anyone with half a braincell, which admittedly most of the remaining faithful barely had there was literally NO reason for the faithful to not Wilf off as there was no consequence for doing so - either he is a traitor or the money gets split 3 ways rather than 4. Whatever Wilf did after that someone was going to force another banishment, especially as it only needed 1 person to do that rather than a majority.

(Taking this to it's logical conclusion, what the 3 of them should have then done is vote again to get the remaining people down to 2 - reduces the chance of a traitor still being standing and increases their share of the pot.)

Don't get me wrong, it was entertaining TV but the format needs tweaking. There needs to be an incentive for the traitors to risk revealing themselves for a start. As it is there is no way for the faithful to know who the traitors are apart from blind witchhunts. A simple solution would be to give the traitors a reason to sabotage the missions - e.g. they have a seperate prize pot which is the money the team doesn't win in the missions.

AddieLoggins2 · 23/12/2022 10:26

I saw a suggestion on Twitter last night (sorry I can't remember who said it) that series 2 should be all the same contestants but with different people being traitors.

I think that would be really good, maybe not as a full series but as like a Christmas special type thing it would be fun to watch - see them try to re-learn what they know about each other while dealing with any hang ups from the previous series.

IconicKitty · 23/12/2022 10:28

I have never warmed to Wilf but I did think the way it all ended was unfair. If all banished traitors behaved like that, it would be impossible for the traitors to ever win in future series.

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WouldJudasLeaveIt · 23/12/2022 10:31

Ha I won't be applying, there's no way I could be sly if I was chosen to be a traitor. In a 1 off hour game I could, but not spending time with them and bare faced lying to their faces, I couldn't.

ReneBumsWombats · 23/12/2022 10:44

AddieLoggins2 · 23/12/2022 10:26

I saw a suggestion on Twitter last night (sorry I can't remember who said it) that series 2 should be all the same contestants but with different people being traitors.

I think that would be really good, maybe not as a full series but as like a Christmas special type thing it would be fun to watch - see them try to re-learn what they know about each other while dealing with any hang ups from the previous series.

I don't know...getting to know each other as total strangers was pretty key to it all, especially with all the trust and team based games.

VirginiaQ · 23/12/2022 10:47

IconicKitty · 23/12/2022 10:28

I have never warmed to Wilf but I did think the way it all ended was unfair. If all banished traitors behaved like that, it would be impossible for the traitors to ever win in future series.

But it wasn't really unfair. Kieran unlike the other 3 traitors didn't actually want to be a traitor he was forced into it. Then he saw Wilf rallying the others, aided by the ever faithful Hannah, to backstab him. He was just playing the game as it should be played. Amanda when she was backstabbed by Wilf hadn't written his name on her card so she couldn't then make a comment to point everyone in Wilf's direction unlike Kieran.

I think he just wanted 3 lovely but rather clueless people to get a share of the money rather than it all go to a backstabber like Wilf. In reality the fact he wrote 'Wilf' on his card should have been more than a clue for the rest but they needed a bit of a push.

Thought it was the perfect end and so glad Aaron's mum will get her house!

happinessischocolate · 23/12/2022 10:48

They should have recruited for the 2nd series before the 1st was shown to avoid all the wannabes.

And then filmed it whilst the 1st was being aired 😁

ReneBumsWombats · 23/12/2022 10:50

happinessischocolate · 23/12/2022 10:48

They should have recruited for the 2nd series before the 1st was shown to avoid all the wannabes.

And then filmed it whilst the 1st was being aired 😁

They didn't know how successful it would be.

MincePiesSparklyEyesAndNaturalHighs · 23/12/2022 10:55

I feel like it was all more set up by production than we twigged during watching. I feel like the viewers are the ones without the braincells. Wilf was played like a puppet throughout. They knew they needed one traitor to do the twist stay or die reveal, there's no way that was thought of momentarily when Amanda left.

Willmafrockfit · 23/12/2022 11:02

Wilf was so anxious for the last few days, so nerve wracking. i wouldnt have wanted to be in his shoes.

SUBisYodrethwhenLarping · 23/12/2022 11:05

FINALISTS ARE ON ITV1 THIS MORNING NOW 😁😁😁😁😁😁

SUBisYodrethwhenLarping · 23/12/2022 11:06

sorry for caps lock but didn't notice as I was writing in a hurry

Willmafrockfit · 23/12/2022 11:06

wilf should aboslutely not have thorwn kieran under the bus

Follycastle · 23/12/2022 11:15

VirginiaQ · 23/12/2022 10:47

But it wasn't really unfair. Kieran unlike the other 3 traitors didn't actually want to be a traitor he was forced into it. Then he saw Wilf rallying the others, aided by the ever faithful Hannah, to backstab him. He was just playing the game as it should be played. Amanda when she was backstabbed by Wilf hadn't written his name on her card so she couldn't then make a comment to point everyone in Wilf's direction unlike Kieran.

I think he just wanted 3 lovely but rather clueless people to get a share of the money rather than it all go to a backstabber like Wilf. In reality the fact he wrote 'Wilf' on his card should have been more than a clue for the rest but they needed a bit of a push.

Thought it was the perfect end and so glad Aaron's mum will get her house!

Absolutely, he was a loyal faithful and wanted the faithful to win. I’d have done the same!

It’s not that surprising that most people are pleased the faithful won even with some slightly dodgy tactics from Kieran. Even though it’s “just a game”, people (including us viewers) really don’t like liars, and Wilf really took his lying and scheming to the extreme, particularly at the end with his “I swear on anyone’s life” etc. It’s hard to see it as just a game in those moments as a viewer never mind a contestant!

I don’t believe for a minute Wilf was pleased to be banished. He absolutely wanted all that money to himself.