William "screamed and shouted" at Harry.

[felulageller]

Ep5.
So that's the big accusation we've been waiting for.

Then a denial that he, Harry, denied William had bullied him and MM.

Denying that you denied it so implying it was true that William was bullying them?

Never liked William anyway. Hope he's never King.

Well thank fuck they came out of that shit storm with something because the pair of them deserve it.

browneyes77 but I don’t cherry pick between the Daily Mail and the Express . I read broadsheets, watch foreign news channels ( except Fox) stay clear of all tabloids, the BBC News and well basically, royalists . My decisions are evidence based and not through unjustified loyalty to
a( literally) entitled family. This is the 21st century and it’s time to stop staff wearing breeches and quit the whole feckin’ world bowing and curtsying, I mean really!! Does anybody find this acceptable in this day and age ?Expecting Meghan to bow to a woman every time she saw her ,ffs!! This subservient culture to a family who have done what? Cut ribbons, planted trees, wore lots of expensive outfits once to see the premiere of 007 and thanks to their huge wealth and apparent power, been able to live to a great old age. Yes I know there are hundreds of charities reliant on the RF but it’s because of the patronage not because they need them to do a shift on the soup kitchen on Friday night.
A colleague of mine couldn’t afford to pay ‘the big stamp’, due to being a single parent. She has just passed 40+ years working for the NHS but can’t retire because HM government raised the OAP to 67. She won’t see retirement: her health is too poor. 40 odd years of night shift often without breaks, lifting and turning patients throughout the night ;nobody on her shift was in pain .Being assaulted by patients and their relatives , more common than people know . She still works night shift because it pays more , she needs the money to live as she’s had to cut her hours . Her GP says she is not fit to work due to her heart failure, her arthritis and her diabetes:her employer say otherwise, the lovely, caring and compassionate NHS . So please don’t anyone dare come back to me and say the queen worked for seventy years because no she fucking didn’t. She was available to be dressed, transported and returned to one of the many warm houses. I will gladly buy any book written by either Meghan or Harry if it keeps them away from the vilest of people in the UK.As there is so many horrible, scary things going on in the world , I may not read it .

Interesting comment. I do not follow the RF but see their existence as the lesser evil; elected heads of state are political and thus divisive and also power seekers working for re-election. Better a constitutional monarchy, where the law decides who is head of state and there is no divisive argument.
The RF - being members of the upper classes - do not wear a dress only once (they saw what happened to people like that in 1792) but recycle and re-use their clothes. The king wears jackets and shoes which have clearly been repaired.
I am deeply sorry for your nursing friend but do not understand why she paid the married woman's stamp, which has not been available anyway for decades. Even I, featherheaded student and foolishly young married, realised that if I relied on my ex-DH's NI contributions I was building up various problems, particularly to do with personal independence and ability to leave the marriage, so I don't know why she would do this and was able to do it for a forty-year career without any advice or caution.
Feminists pressed for women to retire at the same age as men (I don't think many women who did shifts in Tescoes etc on the tills really supported this, and I certainly did not). The retirement age began being raised by Labour, too, one reason why I now have no party (the others being their stance on Brexit and their belief that TWAW).

I don't lay the blame for our situation on the RF but on capitalism as run by neo-liberal economics and globalization, both damaging to working people, unionisation, and democracy. I do not support the Duke and Duchess of Sussex because they lie. 17 lies straight off in their interview with Oprah, some so blatant it was embarrassing. Their ilk is more dangerous than Charles III and more damaging to our country.
NB The broadsheets are no better than the red tops for lying and being equivocal. The Guardian has just published an article on how progressive the new pronouns are, for example and supports the transagenda despite the damage this has done to women's rights. Read them with care, don't assume that because it's a broadsheet it is in any way unbiased or totally accurate.

The RF - being members of the upper classes - do not wear a dress only once (they saw what happened to people like that in 1792) but recycle and re-use their clothes. The king wears jackets and shoes which have clearly been repaired.

@Grammarnut Recycling is not what the Daily Mail would have us believe - ie Kate Middleton wearing an outfit she's been seen in before! Anne has upcycled stuff and Charles keeps old things and has his shoes repaired a zillion times.

Without those titles they are just Mr and Mrs Windsor. This is exactly what they should be. Nobody gives a stuff about them in America without those titles.

And H&M supporters claim those who don’t agree they are the best thing since sliced bread, and may not be 100% truthful are ‘haters’ and ‘obsessed’ 😂

Yes, bowing / curtseying is mildly ridiculous. I don’t remember H&M raising this when they decided to become working royals? I mean, it does go with the territory, if you want to be ‘in’ then that’s what you agree to. From what I read (happy to be corrected) they wanted to be working royals, they didn’t want to take time to get used to the situation, they wanted to ‘hit the ground running’ – I remember seeing that clip at the time of their engagement. So they chose in, they didn’t have to.

I am sorry for your friend’s predicament, but am not sure how the RF is to blame?

I also don’t see any constitutional set up for a head of state that doesn’t have some drawbacks. Let’s face it, you only have to look at the correlation between a privileged start in life and getting into the Cabinet to see that democratically electing our representatives does not significantly affect the existing structures of power, wealth and privilege. So, while a monarchy is a bit anachronistic in this day and age, I think the problems you ascribe to it run deeper than having an unelected head of state.

Agree our problems are deeper than a hereditary head of state. Equality of opportunity has long gone out of the window and social mobility has jammed for decades. Once, railway porters became MPs (it's why a salary was introduced, so that people without private means could stand for parliament), and proper socialists sat in the Commons. Now Labour and Conservative, Lib'Dems' and all the rest are of one ilk. Nothing to do with having a hereditary monarchy, more to do with the power lying among the middle-class professional elite - into which most people cannot get because they are denied the entry cards: a classical education (Labour says this is elitist), a curriculum based on imparting knowledge (elitist again), or learning to read properly (I suspect this is elitist, too).

There was a very small window, sadly, where 'railway porters' became MPs. And personally I think a strong Trade Union movement had far more impact than salaries, because the cost of developing political experience, and funding political campaigns were more of an issue than earning a living while an MP (although yes, providing a salary did widen access to some extent).

The early Labour Party was very much a party of working class men (almost always men, which is not unproblematic...), but the more it became a party of government/official opposition the more it was co-opted by the privileged as a alternative vehicle to get to power.

In my opinion, anyway 😂

Which is why I don't think tinkering with symptoms such as a hereditary monarchy will make any difference to acheiving greater equality or dismantling privilege. It's a side issue.

Sorry but if any of my brothers had spoken about the family in public like that they would have received a swift kick in the goolies never mind being "screamed and shouted at."😡

The hyperbole of the 'screaming and shouting' is starting to get on my wick too - I'm not sure if anyone's ever screamed or tried to - it's pretty much impossible to 'scream' words. So I imagine there were raised voices but no actual screaming. All a bit dramatic, as per. And now the word looks and sounds ridiculous

My apologies on my lack of knowledge on the RF wearing an outfit
more than once , this shows my level of interest in them. I’m afraid being Constitutional Head of State is a figurehead post and is now used for ceremonial duties and wining and dining other heads of state, you know the kind , the ones who run their country , e.g. Mr. Biden

My colleague had no pension, despite several interventions, she just could not afford to pay for it . Naïve, yes but I didn’t walk in her shoes. Like you I was encouraged to pay the big stamp my my father .
Feminists did not push for a change to the pension age and I would like to see any evidence you may have to the contrary.

I never watched the Oprah interview but
to say you won’t support the couple because they lie . Mmm like Prince Phillip, King Charles, like Princess Diana and now apparently the new Prince of Wales .
Fed up to the back teeth of the hypocrisy.
Ive seen with my own eyes how this young woman has been treated , it’s not her fault she married into a household of racist liars.

I was warming to you when you mentioned Brexit , something else the Scot’s didn’t vote for then your derogatory word for women without an X chromosome and your following comments made me feel sick to my stomach.
I will continue reading the Guardian because it is progressive . God help us all, compassion for others who do us no harm appears to have left the building. Don’t respond, I won’t read it.

The retirement age began being raised by Labour, too

Not true. Labour didn’t touch retirement age, the first rise was in 1996 under a Tory government.

"women without an X chromosome! - oh, you mean a man? men do have an x chromosome, just a y as well

@SallyLockheart don't use actual facts and science remember, far too triggering for some sensitive souls, who never actually want to listen to alternative viewpoints! (Especially factual ones!)

I fell asleep before I even got half way through that nonsensical waffle, most of which had nothing to do with the point raised.

You’re being hypocritical.

Blindly believing anything M&H say as gospel, but accusing people who don’t believe everything they say, as believing everything they read in the media.

You’re making wild assumptions that people who don’t believe M&H, do so because they read tabloids? That’s quite a narrow minded and naive view to take.

People watch behaviour, the things that people say etc and it all helps them to form an opinion of someone. Their behaviour and words are there to see in their interviews, books, podcasts and Netflix documentary’s.

You don’t need to read tabloids to read people.

This.

Also at one point in the documentary (poss ep 6?) Harry receives a text from William which he doesn't divulge the contents of.

And Meghan actually walks away saying she won't say anything because he's his brother.

Governments of all colours have wanted to raise the retirement age because of the cost. People were not expected to live as long as they now do. Demographics!

My thoughts exactly. They serve no useful purpose at all.

I don't much go for giving up on debate when you find a view offered that you do not agree with. I don't know what you mean by women without an X chromosome since women have 2 (XX) and men 1 (XY). If you mean I don't believe (actually I know it, because the proof is both necessary and sufficient) that men can become women then please say so. It should have no bearing on whether we agree about the RF.

Diana died in France. It wasn't the British media chasing the car she was in. She died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

'Also at one point in the documentary (poss ep 6?) Harry receives a text from William which he doesn't divulge the contents of.

And Meghan actually walks away saying she won't say anything because he's his brother.'

Sorry but this is manipulative. Harry divulges enough so we assume the text was from his brother (funny how the camera was conveniently running when the text came in) but doesn't say what the text said - just enough drama from Meghan to imply the text was angry. It may have been but it may also have said 'You OK, bro?' but of course that wouldn't be dramatic enough.

As to Meghan saying she won't say anything.... oh my days, I bet there was plenty said when the camera was finally switched off. I would have thought by this time William would actually have been very wary of sending texts to his brother for fear they'd end up in the next TV episode so maybe it wasn't from William at all, just a confirmation that their pizza was 15 minutes away. It's all hints and insinuation.

Wanting isn’t the same as doing. No Labour government has ever touched the age of eligibility for state pension.

Autumn61

You were doing quite well until you used "the vilest of people in the UK" as a description of the royal family. (Which incidentally includes HArry and Meghan, since they don't want to abjure their titles and membership of it and therefore remain part of it; and Harry has no choice abut being part of it, since he was born into it.)

That was when you became absurd.

People who murder or rape or torture children are not as vile as the royal family? Get along with you. Go and have a nice cup ot tea and calm down, do.

A colleague of mine couldn’t afford to pay ‘the big stamp’, due to being a single parent. She has just passed 40+ years working for the NHS

I think your colleague may be telling porkies, @Autumn61. It would have been paid automatically via PAYE

True also receive credit for child benefit and raising children

A good example of why sweeping statements about racism if you don't support H&M - with the Daily Mail's rants used as an example of the British press, rather than as the abhorrent outlier - are dishonest.

Publish the text. If it was worth their reaction of disgust let William account for it. Why hold back? Let the light in, why not? Surely transparency is the best for everyone in the long run?