William "screamed and shouted" at Harry.

[felulageller]

Ep5.
So that's the big accusation we've been waiting for.

Then a denial that he, Harry, denied William had bullied him and MM.

Denying that you denied it so implying it was true that William was bullying them?

Never liked William anyway. Hope he's never King.

Yeah but ‘terrified?’ Really? Of his brother? If he had a knife in his hand fair enough, but otherwise?
This is coming an ex member of the armed forces. 🙄

What I don't get is if they hate the RF and all it stands for why have they used the titles, that only come from being in the RF, on their Xmas card. Surely if the RF is so toxic, vile, racist and hateful they'd want to not be associated with it. Harry and Meghan would have sufficed.

The Ostryga post a few pages up is interesting. It was commenting on a very incisive good post by someone else who had said MM was in a sense a Mrs Simpson and not happy she might be viewed as such. It is a very good comment. Just to say what the f... does that mean is a weird response to it. The response cuold have been MM did not marry the monarch so comparing her to the divorced American who was Mrs S is in appropriate but just to suggest the comment was without merit is a bit strange.

If you think any poster isn't genuine please report them to MN to be looked at. MN can see when the account was started, whether they engage in other threads etc and delete any dodgy accounts.

Otherwise - well, people can disagree with you without being paid up members of 'the rota'.

BTW the point of the rota is that official engagements are publicly recorded even if they are not high profile, without media outlets all having to send a member of staff to all events. One reporter/photographer attends, any media outlet who wants the photos/info can have them. That constitutes the public record to refer back to if necessary, and saves media outlets sending staff out 'just in case' something becomes relevant. Of course it also means that the RF don't have a rugby scrum at every event they do. But there is nothing to stop media from sending their own staff in addition to whoever is on the rota if a story is breaking.

There's nothing to stop any publication drumming up interest in any particular story, about the RF or anything else, but that's nothing to do with the rota.

Is that really their Xmas card?

If so - if they are using titles then they are Prince and Princess Harry, Duke and Duchess of Sussex. It's an odd mix to be 'Prince' Harry, but then Meghan, then Duke and Duchess.

Picking and choosing?

The only thing that can be believed 💯 in their series is the stuff about the media because we've all seen evidence of that. Everything else is just their side and we're very unlikely to hear the other side. How many times have the people who believe them given a one sided version of events, where you omit the stuff you've done, or your part of the fault in a situation. We all do it. It's human nature. The Queen wasn't wrong when she sat recollections may vary, as they always do. People see things from their own perspective. There are always two sides and somewhere in the middle lies the truth. I watched it and felt for them, but I also saw vitriol aimed at William and very little at the Queen or Charles. There would have been more of an uproar if attacks had been made on the monarchs, so it seemed to conveniently centre on William instead. I'm not going to take the side of people I don't know, from a one-sided point of view. That's just silly.

Now here's the thing.Telling the truth, exactly as it is, doesn't earn big bucks. Dramatising everything does, that's what the media want. I remember trying to get some freelance work as a reporter with a Sun-esque style newspaper. I came up with some accounts I thought were newsworthy but the editor kept wanting me to go back and ask questions that would sensationalise the events, and would have been uncomfortable for the people involved. I decided to stick with publications that had more integrity.
But this type of thing is what the media want and which attracts the big viewing numbers, sadly.
I am sure Meghan understands this much better than Harry, who is being sucked into the circus that he claims to so despise due to the circumstances of his mother's death.

I thought that was the correct format. Harry is a Prince, Meghan could be Prince Henry but not Princess Meghan. They are the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Plus they didn’t use HRH as they said they wouldn’t.

For those who believe every word they said did you not have any questions or pick up contradictions? For example H was disappointed as he believes W and his team were briefing against H&M and stated the press were printing Harry was being bullied out of the RF by William and so William put out a joint statement (which H had not agreed) that this wasn’t true. a) where did the press get the story H was being bullied out? b) Why would W leak the bullying story to then publish a denial? c) would anyone from the RF leak the bullying story when it casts them in a bad light? d) Did anyone from H & Ms team leak the story to put pressure on the RF? Is that one reason why H was angry about the statement, as well as not being consulted?

H & Ms first walkabout after their engagement - no idea what to wear, what to do etc. a) H has been doing walkabouts since he was a child so should be able to explain to his fiancée what would happen and what to do b) they have staff who had organised the trip did, they honestly not say here is the schedule this is what is expected any questions? c) how hard is it to ask H’s staff or to Google royal walkabout to find out what to wear?

To be clear going back to before even Diana, Princess of Wales the press have been awful to every person joining the RF, remember Prince Philip had to change his name. They also love creating debate as that’s what makes them money. The behaviour of the paps and press are awful and they were and are racist and misogynistic about Meghan, they have stirred up a lot of division by artificially creating rivalries.

I believe the vague statements like “my father lied” were deliberate as the less verifiable facts you give the less your version can be fact checked. Ask the police how often do witnesses give the same evidence, how often do recollections vary and the facts lie somewhere in the middle which is why corroborated evidence is so beneficial.

I'm very much inclined to agree with this.

The only thing that can be believed 💯 in their series is the stuff about the media because we've all seen evidence of that

Yeah the evidence is loud and clear about the tabloids. The Mail is installed on my P.C - god knows how (I must have clicked something) but this morning I have uninstalled The Mail. Made an effort to find how to uninstall and done it. And I confess to sometimes buying the Saturday Mail because of the supplement and the crosswords. But will not be buying it again.

funny how they want out but want their titles still why is that

The titles on the card are a minor detail. A mix of him using his title 'Prince', then her no title 'Meghan', then both using the Sussex titles.The bigger question is why either of them are using titles from a racist and abusive institution, when they could choose not to.

Also, the claim that they couldn't put their proposals to leave in writing because it would be leaked was odd. Why would it matter if it was leaked, as it would show their side of the situation? Of course, it could be selectively leaked to try to make them look bad, but surely all they would need to do in that case would be publish the document in full? So putting it in writing would protect them. Unless their proposals would have made them look entitled and childish, of course. But it is difficult to see how putting reasonable suggestions in writing could be used against them.

As an example, I wanted some flexibility to attend appointments not covered by by my employers policies. My manager was happy for me to build up and use TOIL, and asked me to email him a proposal about how that could be tracked/managed. Which I was happy to do, because the written trail protected me from accusations of not turnign up when I should, and protected him because it was clear what he was agreeing to, and could take action if I used the situation to take the p**s. All good.

In potentially contentious situations it is good for everyone to provide clear, written information about what is proposed/agreed, surely?

At the time of those discussions, I thought security would be a huge issue and it has been. Their proposals always included fully paid up security where ever they resided and that was never anything the RF could agree to at the drop of a hat. So of course there had to be a fully detailed proposal and discussion about that - remember the Sussex Royal website detailed how they were IPP and entitled to full time UK funded security - the RF were right to request a written proposal for them. The how/why of leaked proposal is another matter.

This is spot on!

It wasn’t until they kicked off Charles stopped paying their security. They even had met security in Canada, with officers flying out on rotation, then the Canadian governemt stepped in and they provided and payed for it.then the Canadian people kicked off.

But throughout they had private security paid for my Charles to the tune of 2 million a year. And he was continuing to pay for it, till they said would pay for their own security

All the time they were going on about having their security pulled, it was only met officers, as the Home Secretary said they can’t have all these royal protection officers going back and forward to Canada at rhe tax payers expense and they didn’t have the resources for it.

they did the same about Archie, wanted met security for him, the palace said no kids in that position. got met security Ie Zara, Beatrice,Louise etc and certainly not babies as they don’t go any place alone but the adults accompanying would be provided with security . But again they spun shit about Archie not getting his own security detail. It was batshit. Why does a baby need security, the adults need it.

Wow! Huge lie. Except it's not. He sa whet on a mutual friend's insta and it went from there.

Any actual lies to merit the level of dislike, vilification and hatred?

Any actual lies to merit the level of dislike, vilification and hatred?

Well Meghan maintained in her interview with The Cut that they offered the traditional photoshoot on the steps after Archie’s birth but it was impossible to close the street off as it would cut off access to the emergency room. The Portland, like every other private hospital, doesn’t have an emergency room. 🤷‍♀️

You’re absolutely right about the Portland not having an emergency room (or rather A&E). Also Fergie posed for photos there when she had her babies. There is no rule that royal wives have to pose for photos. It was a relatively new custom and M could easily have said, I’m not doing it. Also she said she had a long standing relationship with a doctor at the Portland and that’s why she chose it over St Mary’s. She’d only lived in the U.K. a couple of years by then so I thought that was rubbish. She’s entitled to give birth how she wants but don’t make up fibs please.

I think Harry and Meghan are telling the truth… I can fully believe the Royal family is a toxic family… the younger generations after the queen just are just a bit of a shit show to be fair. Look at all the scandal and rumours… Look at how Diana was treated…

Meghan was also treated badly in the press and the racist undertones in the headlines were just disgusting. The British media should be ashamed of themselves.

Harry and Meghan both seem genuinely in love and happy now, and I wish them luck and every happiness for their future. I have a lot of respect for Harry, he acted to protect his wife and family.

In the same way you clearly believe everything H&M say, regardless of how outrageous it is…….?

Quite!

Because they've got nothing to merch without titles.

You can spot inconsistencies without hating them. I feel a bit sorry for them, not for the reasons they might expect but i do.

I feel sorry for them because they have no self awareness and little emotional intelligence. That's hard and causes myriads of issues.