Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Telly addicts

AJLT... With spoilers!

999 replies

ReeseWitherfork · 09/12/2021 12:06

Just finished episode one and need to talk about it!!!

Didn't like much of the episode to be honest. But the ending! I'm floored! Was not expecting that.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
15
Wanderingowl · 17/01/2022 13:27

I'd be surprised if they kill off Harry. If they did how would Carrie be constantly able to trump every conversation with, 'my husband died.'

The bigger question is, will AJLT get a second season. The reviews are lambasting it, but I'd say the ratings are pretty solid as a lot of people are hate watching. People might tune in for a second season to see if the writers have learned any lessons and brought the show back to what once made it so popular. But if it hasn't improved in season 2, I'm not sure they would get a sizeable audience of people continuing to watch for the car crash factor. So I'm guessing it will get a chance to turn things around in the second season.

I'm younger than the main characters but I have a really mixed age friend group made up of people from their 20s to their 60s. And we have no problem hanging out, joking around, talking about serious topics. I'll admit that there is a difference in language and cultural references between the different generations and it's most marked by two things. The internet usage and the experience of having lived abroad, especially in larger cosmopolitan cities. But overall, if you have a shared interest in something, that tends to transcend any generational gap. Which is maybe the problem here. The interests that the women have are quite rarified. Carrie likes expensive fashion and being so very wealthy means that it's just easy for her to buy what she wants, so she isn't hunting out secondhand or learning adapt or make her own clothes as people with normal incomes do. Charlotte's interest is art, really high end, very expensive art. So she shares no commonality with most people, especially younger people as wealthy art buyers tend to be older. And Miranda apparently developed no real interests outside of alcohol and putting chia seeds on ice-cream.

AsYouWishButtercup · 17/01/2022 13:36

Thinking about the first couple of episodes, it was mentioned that Carrie and Big were the happiest couple everyone knew.

But they had such a toxic history, she cheated on him in Abu Dhabi, he suggested they live apart etc only a few years ago. Harry and Charlotte are the FAR superior couple - until Charlottes character changed completely and she started pushing him over and swearing at him in the street (has she had an actual lobotomy?! Charlotte is far too ladylike to do that).

YY to Kristin Davies’ acting ability suddenly being akin to that of my 5yo in his nativity. I kind of see where they were going with the “women have to apologise every day” speech but it was so painfully delivered - especially the pantomime way in which she said “sorry not sorry” - it was cringeworthy rather than victorious.

I also think they could have gone down the route of Rose not wanting to wear dresses because of Charlotte’s hyper-feminine push onto her daughters. They could have done a great story about Charlotte learning to love Rose for the skateboarding hoody wearing gamer girl that she is. But no - they just HAD to actually reinforce those gender stereotypes by staying “Well she doesn’t like flowery dresses - so she must not be a proper girl” 🙄 I feel like I wander around these days thinking is SO OBVIOUS that these gender politics of non-binary etc and exceptionally regressive whilst this perpetuating them are bizarrely Patting themselves on the back for allegedly being progressive. How can they not see that they’re doing the exact opposite of what they claim to do?

AsYouWishButtercup · 17/01/2022 13:39

@Wanderingowl

I assumed there were quiet non-binary people living quiet normal lives. I hope there are anyway.

Of course there are. They are called pretty much everyone on earth because while we all have a biological sex, absolutely nobody adheres to every single stereotype or genuine norm of their sex and rejects every stereotype of the opposite sex. Pretty much every single person who has ever lived has been gender non binary. However if someone takes this perfectly normal aspect of their personality, assumes it makes them a super special someone else and by default creates a narrative that means everyone else is binary. Then, realistically, that person is displaying narcissistic traits.

They are literally creating a situation that puts everyone else in a box they don't actually fit in and claiming they are super special for not being in that box. And everyone in that box needs to respect their specialness or it's invalidating. While they show no regard for the fact that what they are doing is utterly invalidating everyone else's identity. And merrily shitting on all of the work that women (and men) have been doing for generations to free people of social, sex based limitations. You simply can't identify as non-binary and go live your normal quiet life because the very act of placing a special identity on normal traits, is attention seeking.

There are however, very gender non-conforming people living normal quiet lives. There are women who dress like Che, never wear make-up, work as a mechanic, play darts and football in their spare time. There are men with long hair, who have a skin care routine and wear make up, work in fashion and enjoy baking as a hobby. But they identify as the men and women they are. And it's cool people like this, who are just happy to go about their lives, liking what they like and not making a fuss about it, who are the ones who will end up being hurt by this nonsense. I've already read plenty of comments on mumsnet and other sites from women who are being asked what their pronouns are by people who have been indoctrinated to think they are being polite, when they are actually just being hurtful.

BTW @Wanderingowl I think this post has to be one of the most excellent, eloquent and perfectly succinct things regarding this non-binary nonsense that I’ve ever read. You are absolutely spot on - May I save this for a later date should I need it on MN and I will attribute to you? You’ve explained it absolutely perfectly
ReeseWitherfork · 17/01/2022 19:37

AsYouWishButtercup so eloquent isn't it?

Also just seen @LittleWingSoul say this on another thread and it summed it up into one neat soundbite: Basically Gender Ideology cannot function without the promotion of sex-based stereotypes

OP posts:
Wanderingowl · 18/01/2022 12:23

Thanks @AsYouWishButtercup I was in an online hobby group a few years back with a lot of people identifying as NB and I had to spend quite a bit of time wondering why they made me feel as they do. I hate the thought of being close minded towards people living their lives and just trying to express themselves, so I had to really work out why my internal reaction to NB people is the exact opposite as to how I normally feel about people living lives outside what we consider the norm. I really threw myself into getting over my gut reaction and reading their posts and discussions, determined to understand and accept them. But the more I did, the more I came to understand my initial reactions were only wrong in that they didn't get just how very regressive a philosophy this is. And how worrying it is that it's having so much sway on a political level.

To be fair, not all NB people are massive narcissists. A lot of them are just teen girls and very young women who are having a reflexive reaction to their emerging sexuality and how others perceive it. I know that when I was 19/20 I became hyper feminine and sexualised, then I quite quickly switched to goth/pagan/alternative for couple of years. As I consciously wanted something deeper while subconsciously was reasserting my sexual boundaries and trying to send a signal to most men that I was unavailable to them. I think a lot of 'NB' young women are doing the same. Unfortunately for them, they are part of a trend that is both regressive in terms of how it presents how men and women should behave while also being part of a culture that is at times aggressively trying to erode sexual boundaries.

x2boys · 20/01/2022 09:02

I'm confused to how Lilly is fifteen,the original series ended in 2004 ( apparently) with Harry and Charlotte being approved to adopt a six month old baby from China ,so by my reckoning she should be 18??

calliecapers · 20/01/2022 09:17

Wow! What did i just see?

Harry!

Was that real?

Youdoyoutoday · 20/01/2022 09:18

Just watched the first 5 minutes and I have new found respect for Che!!

AsYouWishButtercup · 20/01/2022 09:21

5 minutes into the new episode. Thoughts already:

WHY on earth would Che (who ironically auto corrected to ‘ache’) assume a 55yo woman was in an open marriage rather than having a secret affair?!

Why would Miranda hide from Brady

Is Ache/Che an inspirational speaker or a comedienne? It’s not clear, and they’re not very good at either.

Che/Ache mentioning “Y’all are getting me wet” - I’m surprised a NB person referred to their very sexed body parts. Doesn’t that defeat the point?!

The ages of the kids are all wrong, by my reckoning Brady should be 20 and Lily 18!

Ah the Paris later dress - wasted on a horrible short arse Russian twat.

AsYouWishButtercup · 20/01/2022 09:23

Also is it just me or is Carrie’s apartment suddenly twice as big as it used to be?

x2boys · 20/01/2022 09:25

@AsYouWishButtercup

Also is it just me or is Carrie’s apartment suddenly twice as big as it used to be?
Yes your right she seems to have acquired extra corridors and her bathroom is twice the size 🤣
AsYouWishButtercup · 20/01/2022 09:30

@calliecapers

Wow! What did i just see?

Harry!

Was that real?

😂😂 it must be a prosthetic! Funniest moment of the series
Youdoyoutoday · 20/01/2022 09:35

God Lord Harry!! 🍆🍆🍆

AsYouWishButtercup · 20/01/2022 09:36

Poor Kristin Davis has had so much work done she can barely speak. Like she’s just come from the dentist. It’s painful to watch

calliecapers · 20/01/2022 09:37

I just shouted out loud

calliecapers · 20/01/2022 09:38

Im confused. Where does Carrie live now? Is that supposed to be her old apartment?

Did they never show downstairs before?

AsYouWishButtercup · 20/01/2022 09:42

@calliecapers we never saw the downstairs before and yes it her old apartment but it’s somehow expanded to 4 times it’s size 🤣

AsYouWishButtercup · 20/01/2022 09:46

I am liking Carrie this season for the first time ever. Some good advice to her friends. I think she’s only insufferable when she’s obsessing about men

x2boys · 20/01/2022 09:51

I seem to remember,that Charlotte hated giving blow job,s 🤔

AsYouWishButtercup · 20/01/2022 09:55

Miranda is an awful, selfish cow with no consideration for anyone else and I hope that Che/Ache, as is I suspect, will fuck her over. Old Miranda (or should I say young Miranda?) would never have done that to her family. Poor Steve and Brady Sad if this is meant to be empowering for older women, it’s not working

Netaporter · 20/01/2022 09:57

Just watched the new ep. Loved it. Aside from the tedious stand-up (again) tbf to Che, she did the right thing in fucking off Miranda. Poor Steve it was like watching the Andrex puppy getting a good kicking. 😢

And the Paris dress! Oh my ❤️

Duckswaddle · 20/01/2022 10:22

Miranda is definitely going to arrive in Cleveland to find che with someone else or just not interested in her anymore. Che already said they weren’t going to give Miranda anything traditional. She should have asked Steve for an open marriage instead. I also thought Steve made some excellent points!

Charlotte - Why the hell would you want to explain to your teen daughter that you closed the door because you were giving their father a blow job? I’m all for being open about sex but I would never want to force that conversation on my child. Stick to the cover up story.

Carrie worrying about not being ‘cool’ to her young neighbour - probably in keeping with her character in some way, but she’s a celebrated writer/fashion guru in her 50s who has recently had huge life changes, would this really be bothering her? She should have done a Samantha and chucked a bucket of water over the lot of them for keeping her awake.

It’s still horribly cringe.

x2boys · 20/01/2022 10:28

Yep I thought it was going to end with Miranda getting to Cleveland and finding Che with someone else

AsYouWishButtercup · 20/01/2022 10:38

Yes, next episode will be Miranda arriving to find Che getting off with some purple haired Enby.

Miranda is upset and Che says “I said I love you but I can’t give you monogamy”. Despite Che previously having made it clear that she’s not a monogamist, because Miranda has had a total lobotomy she didn’t figure it out properly.

Miranda will try and go along with it but by the end of the series, will realise she’s a one woman/spaceman/alien woman and will leave Che, increasing the ferocity of her bloody weird gait as she walks away.

What happened to Peter anyway?!

AsYouWishButtercup · 20/01/2022 10:40

Are they now just pretending that Miranda and Steve never went through the whole cheating thing already only a few years ago? And how furious she was about it? She showed no remorse or even empathy when asking for a divorce, just talked about herself before running off like a stupid teenage girl in her ‘romcom’ moment Hmm it’s embarrassing, how can Cynthia Nixon stand playing such a weak character