The Crown Series 4

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Anyone else getting excited? The Diana trailer looks great. It's on Netflix on 15th November.

Whoever said above they didn’t find the ibble dibble stuff realistic, I think these are just the kinds of parlour games the upper class play. confused they all come across as horrible snobs because that’s what they are.

It was me!
No doubt they did/do play these ‘ghastly’ games but during MT’s visit?
I don’t buy it!

Interesting article about the clothes in The Crown
www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/nov/13/the-crown-netflix-costumes-outfits-1980s

@WotWouldCJDo

I think the costumes are great.

I wonder if Andrew and Edward will ever get a mention, let alone screen time.

I was wondering this, it feels like there's only anne and charles

Andrew and Edward were pretty young at this time - Edward would still have been a teenager - so not much to show really. I'm sure Andrew will feature more once Fergie shows up.

Bastards at what they did to Diana. She was a naive girl but they all knew better.

Can't imagine Fred and Gladys will be watching. Shits. No wonder Harry whisked Meghan away from them all.

@littlebitupset I don't understand all this fawning over the royal family and the queen. They are all so toxic. The way they treated Diana is just one of many horrible things. And how Andrew gets away with everything. Saying anything about the queen is considered blasphemy but honestly hope people wake up to the real her. If she was your mother or mother in law and not the queen you would run away very very quickly.

I've just seen the stag being shot, really horrible. How the hell can people actually enjoy doing that?

I wonder if Andrew and Edward will ever get a mention, let alone screen time.

Episode 4

I think if Charles and Diana happened in 2020 the public opinion would be very different. Diana was only 19 and today she would be seen as a very young woman although perhaps attitudes were different in 1981. Can you imagine the Mumsnet threads if Prince William had an arranged marriage with a young 19 year old who was 13 years younger than him? And then with how she was treated... In an age of social media I seriously don't think the Royal Family would have survived it.

I was the same age as Diana & I was horrified at the time!

The scene with Prince Andrew in Episode 4!

No I don't think attitudes were particularly different when Charles married Diana. We thought she was way to young for him and the whole thing was doomed. You could see they were both fragile and needy and it was never going to work. Of course some people thought it was all terribly romantic and wonderful, but most people we knew thought it was a big mistake. You watched the "whatever love means" interview and thought WTF?

Can't believe this series has got me to sympathise with Margaret Thatcher. GA's portrayal seems v forced, almost contrived. Is there a reason she is playing her that way?

Have been binge watching all day, have loved it!

Agree Charles doesn't come out of it well but even with artistic licence the facts are the facts with regards to him and camilla.

The fashion is fab and I love all the country house interiors.

Charles Spencer will approve of this account. Misses out the story of her family telling her she had to continue with the wedding cause her face was on the tea towels.

This series is the worst of the lot in terms of the writing. I'm still enjoying it as a COVID interlude. I'm hoping GA improves as MT.

I agree OVienna. Her family were far more at fault than the royal family. They were the ones who should have protected her.

I've only watched episode 1 of season 4 so far and really enjoying it. However, it looks like its been shot in the dark whenever there are indoor scenes, is it just me and my TV settings?

I've just finished episode 2 and loving it because I'm of the era that grew up with this.
I don't understand people's dislike of Olivia Coleman or hbc ... why not?
Also Charles, I'm feeling so sorry for him.
Thatcher seems spot on to me!
Maybe it's because I'm not a royalist or a Tory?

The costume are incredible and I think the actors playing Diana and Anne are brilliant

@Frequentflier

Can't believe this series has got me to sympathise with Margaret Thatcher. GA's portrayal seems v forced, almost contrived. Is there a reason she is playing her that way?

Thatcher’s speech was very artificial though. She’d had it razed to ground level by an elocution teacher and rebuilt from scratch one octave lower and one socioeconomic class higher and even decades later it never really became instinctive. And the jokes in her speeches were crushingly awful - she recited them as if she were a native Mandarin speaker who’d learned them syllable by syllable.

I loved Diana and any portrayal of her is usually awful. Will watch though.

@Hilary I'll come back to you. I was going to reply but the more I watch of this the more I feel like the RF interactions are basically totally made up. I am not sure why I'm surprised. I guess it's weird because the situations are so recent. But the interactions don't feel authentic.

@WotWouldCJDo

I suspect Mountbatten's death was not as merciful as portrayed by Phillip in episode 1.

It wasn't. He was pulled out of the water alive (just) and died of terrible injuries before reaching land. I was fuming at the pro-IRA voiceovers. They killed plenty of Irish people too, including women and children.

@LadyIsabellaWrotham Ah, thank you. Am not British, so I was wondering if I missed something. I did not know she had an elocution teacher.

The impression I got from it was the RF desperately wanted Charles to marry and have heirs to the throne and Diana was, tragically to us, the ticket to achieve that goal. She was young, pretty and naive, the perfect candidate for a, let's face it for the times, prince who was "getting on a bit." They needed her at the time.