The Crown Series 4

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Anyone else getting excited? The Diana trailer looks great. It's on Netflix on 15th November.

Ahhh!!! Claire Foy is back! Episode 8!
She is just perfect! They should have kept her and ‘aged’ her through the years with makeup.
She does the Queen’s voice and accent perfectly.

already has had rave reviews for this performance. But she's dreadful in this role

@LondonlovesLola

Ahhh!!! Claire Foy is back! Episode 8! She is just perfect! They should have kept her and ‘aged’ her through the years with makeup. She does the Queen’s voice and accent perfectly.

Episode 8! You're having a busy day.

Agree they should have kept Foy - and Vanessa Kirby, and the beautiful Matthew Goode - it would have been easy to age them up at least for the 3rd series.

I prefer Tobias Menzies to Matt Smith though.

I don't agree about ageing Foy and co - it just would not have worked imo. Foy was already too young to play the queen at the end of season 2, having her play a 50-60 year old queen would be ridiculous. If you look at photos of the Queen in her 20s and 30s she looks almost a different person to when she's middle aged. Aging the actors would have been tacky.

Gillian Anderson is Peter Morgan's partner hence the casting

Erm no! Gillian Anderson is a very good actress who has done very well on her own merit in other productions where her partner wasn't involved. Suggesting that she only got the gig because of her partner is silly to say the least. I also think her performance on this is not bad.

I have watched about half of the series this afternoon - I am loving it.

I think that Emma is playing Diana well - though the scene where she hugged the Queen seemed a bit far fetched to me.

I am cudgelling my brains to work out one of the actors - he is playing either a cabinet minister or an advisor to Margaret Thatcher, and his first name is Chris - but the cast lists don’t seem complete yet, and I can’t find the info anywhere else.

I'm trying to find out who plays Hugh's wife Sarah in episode 9. She looks familiar but I cannot place her!

@Sabrina124

I don't agree about ageing Foy and co - it just would not have worked imo. Foy was already too young to play the queen at the end of season 2, having her play a 50-60 year old queen would be ridiculous. If you look at photos of the Queen in her 20s and 30s she looks almost a different person to when she's middle aged. Aging the actors would have been tacky.

I agree that 'ageing' the actors would be tacky if taken too far, but I think they'd have got away with it for the 3rd series. It ends at the jubilee when the queen is 50.

Also, in the 3rd series, we had Helena Bonham Carter, who is in her 50s, playing a 20 year younger Margaret. I think switching the cast at the start of series 4 would have been the best approach.

the michael fagan episode is surreal!!

Queen and Prince Philip discuss which of their children is the favourite. Queen insists she doesn't have one. Philip says is Anne. Queen arranges lunches with each of her children.

My conclusion is that the message is by the end of these lunches...she realised she doesn't much like any of them.

Obviously like everyone I'm aware of the backstory of Charles/Diana/Camilla but after watching episode 3 I'm completely shocked and distressed by it all. The nerve of Camilla taking Diana out for a meal and boasting about her conquest of him staggers me. I think the palace have tried to create negative publicity surrounding this series because they know that it's completely on the mark.

Charles and Camilla - No amount of re-branding will make this pair acceptable.

Is that story even true about Camilla and Diana?

Yes I had heard it before in the tabloids mostly and I think Diana had disclosed it to people and it "got out"

@CoronaIsWatching

That scene was quite obviously invented wholsesale by the writers. Honestly take this all with a LARGE pinch of salt. It's a drama not a documentary.

I've just binge watched the first 4 episodes. I need to ask this desperately: in the episode where Charles proposes to Diana and there are scenes of various family members sitting around waiting for the phone to ring with news that he had done it, did anyone else see the mouse running across the room, I think the room with the Queen Mother in it? What was that about? Deliberate? A mistake not even the production crew noticed?

Aside from that, I am quite enjoying it. I was bored by S3. Less bored by this but i am only a couple of years younger than Diana and remember these events. I don't think Olivia Colman is right in this part, and I am also irritated by Gillian Anderson. I am sure Thatcher was capable of speaking in a normal conversational tone. Every line she speaks here is said in a hectoring tone, even when she is speaking to her family. I think Gillian Anderson only worked out how to do Thatcher's hectoring voice and did not / could not master any other tone. It isn't realistic.

Yes as a PP said - Clare Foy did a much better job rendering the Queen inscrutable.

Also I very much doubt when she had concerns about Charles and Di she went round to Megs and the Queen Mam for a quick drink.

Entertaining- but no.

Well not word for word shot for shot but they certainly had some sort of encounter were Camilla tried to coach her IIRC

@Thentherewasyou

Where did I say I didn't? When you have kneecapped relatives you can come back and lecture me.

My brother is an extra on the screen in episode 5 :) He goes into the Labour Exchange as Michael Fagan lights up his fag outside.

I don't think the Favourites thing really happened though.. obviously a dramatic device

@CoronaIsWatching

Obviously like everyone I'm aware of the backstory of Charles/Diana/Camilla but after watching episode 3 I'm completely shocked and distressed by it all. The nerve of Camilla taking Diana out for a meal and boasting about her conquest of him staggers me. I think the palace have tried to create negative publicity surrounding this series because they know that it's completely on the mark.

Charles and Camilla - No amount of re-branding will make this pair acceptable.

I don't know what exactly the conversation was about but the lunch did happen IRL - it's in the Andrew Morton book, which as we all know was written with the help of Diana. It was this engagement period in early 1981 that Diana first began to suspect the intensity of the friendship between Charles and Camilla but apparently the physical affair didn't happen until 1986.

@EineReiseDurchDieZeit

I don't think the Favourites thing really happened though.. obviously a dramatic device

I've just watched that episode and, obviously it was for dramatic effect and showed they were all shits. Andrew's description of Koo Stark's soft porn film was chilling in the light of what he got up to later.

I don't mind Olivia Coleman as the Queen, I can use my imagination a bit there, but Gillian Anderson doesn't get the right tone as Thatcher. I was an adult at this time and remember these things happening although, obviously, didn't know how badly Diana was being used. I bought into the fairy-tale like just about everyone else did.

GA's Maggie is a good representation of 1990 Maggie when she was shafted as PM, but not for 1979 when she cam to power. The hair wasn't as helmet-like and the voice was higher.

did anyone else see the mouse running across the room
I assumed it was deliberate.