Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Telly addicts

Related: Film discussion forum.

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Original poster

Bringing up baby- part two on NOW!

550 replies

Megglevampire · 02/10/2007 21:02

Can't wait to see if CV is wearing joggers...

OP posts:
MNHQ
JustineMumsnet · 03/10/2007 09:49

No the name's got to go we're afraid CV. Could you switch back plse?

sKerryMum · 03/10/2007 09:49

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Habbibu · 03/10/2007 09:49

Actually, no, I'm not. Just looked at her lovely sleepy face, and she's just fine. There are just ways of doing things that are nice, and my baby loves to go to sleep in her pram, but that's because she's cuddled and loved to bits all the time, because she's not left to cry (not counting a couple of minutes grumbling) and because I adore her and can't get enough of cuddling her.

AitchTwoOh · 03/10/2007 09:50

what's the difference between taking her for a walk and leaving her asleep in the pram?

TheWiltedRose · 03/10/2007 09:50

awww ruin my fun i rather liked the name!

Susianna · 03/10/2007 09:54

Justine,
please can I ask you to clarify for me (and others?) what we can say and exactly how mean we can be about CV - I feel strongly about the programme but would hate to get you all in schtuck about anything I said iyswim.

I don't really understand what would be allowed and what not allowed. Can you give me any hints so I don't go off track?

Thankyou,
Susie x

Habbibu · 03/10/2007 09:54

OK - if she cries, and it's more than a grumble, I'm out like a shot. Back door is open, and she's just outside. I can practically hear here breathing - if I have to go to the loo I pretty much break the land speed record! If she was upstairs in her cot there'd be the same blanket issue. She's warm as toast. I warm up the pram because it just seems like a nice thing to do - it's nice to get in to a toasty bed on a cold day. I warm up her cot on winter nights too! Harks back to my mum, who used to have our school uniform all warmed up by the fire on winter mornings...

theUrbanDryad · 03/10/2007 10:21

AFAIK (from watching Penn and Teller!) vulgar vocabulary is ok. so we can call her an asswipe bitch cunt motherfucker, but we can't say anything personally detrimental about her. so no rockets to Lebanon or anything like that. or gloves from puppies, presumably...

but Justine, please feel free to delete my posts if they are libellous.

compo · 03/10/2007 10:23

"what's the difference between taking her for a walk and leaving her asleep in the pram? "

you don't have to shush and pat to sleep

I oftwn take dd out for a walk and if she's asleep when we get back I leave her in the garden.

Habbibu · 03/10/2007 10:29

Compo, mostly I don't shh/pat to sleep at all - she goes outside, watches the trees, babbles to herself and drops off with no help from me! Shh/patted today because the poor love is full of cold and a bit fed up.

Piffle · 03/10/2007 10:44

CV was truby kinged as a child
Nuff said
the perfect case study in fact

SydneyB · 03/10/2007 10:54

Sorry if I'm duplicating things already said - its a long thread - but IMHO its the Spock woman who's the most dangerous. CV is obviously wacko and not many people will follow her methods but the 'middle of the road' method which SEEMS sensible when Dreena woman says don't b/f in public, only b/f for 3/4 months... that's the most worrying. Sling woman rools.

NappiesLaGore · 03/10/2007 11:01

habbibu - i think its lovely for babies to sleep wrapped up and cosy outside in the fresh air with trees and birds and the wind to listen to/gaze at. really really nice. i never did it with mine coz it never occured to me (and my first was born in a heatwave and i accidentally got him a bit sunburnt in his first few days as i didnt realise UV rays go round corners - i swear he was in the shade 99% of the time! cue guilt etc) but the nursery i send my littlest to puts the babies out to sleep in prams on the deck outside and i think its gorgeous. was one of the things that sold me on the place!

its leaving them to cry endlessly, 'teaching them whos boss' that imo is so so wrong. they dont know how to be devious ffs, they are simply communicating needs.

NappiesLaGore · 03/10/2007 11:05

i too saw at the spock woman's views on bf, esp in public.
and the woman she was helping to get a latch? bf counsellor my arse. she had no technique at all and was pure luck that mother and baby managed to click the way they did.

MummyPenguin · 03/10/2007 11:16

I may be at the risk of repeating here too, as it's a long thread, and haven't read it all, but the two women who struck me as the happiest with what they are doing are the woman with the long curly hair who's following sling woman's plan, and the single Mum, who's Dr. Spocking. Perhaps that's just down to them as individuals. The other Sling woman, Grace, is quite a highly strung person anyway, I think. She doesn't seen happy.

Rani is clearly traumatised by CV's approach and should out her. I do think that Rani is a bit of a whinger though... I also don't think that her situation is a fair comparison to the others, as she has had twins so it's bound to be harder for her and her DH.

I was at CV telling Rani's Mother that she can't touch, look at, go near the babies, be in the house. How rude. That poor woman (Rani's Mother) of course she just wanted to pick those babies up. CV was also very rude at the Mum who phoned in the chilminder Mum's house. How was her Mum to know exactly when she'd been feeding? Grrrr. CV - I's have a few words for her. Ending in 'off'.

bellabambina · 03/10/2007 11:27

I don't usually post but I am so incensed... I wish I could give copies of the book 'Why Love Matters' to the victims of the evil CV witch www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Love-Matters-Affection-Shapes/dp/1583918175/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-1666022-9204742 ?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191405750&sr=8-1. Read the goddamn research if you aren't strong enough to stand up to this $"%*"£^% cow or follow your instincts - you are damaging your baby, literally, by leaving them to cry and cry. I will not be watching again, Channel 4 aren't getting any viewing figures from me, Huggies aren't getting any of my money, and if the COW CV hadn't removed the Contact option from her website she would have got a torrent of abuse from me as well. Baby expert my arse - child abuse and neglect is not just what is done to a baby, it's also what ISN'T done, like comforting them.

WinnieThePooh · 03/10/2007 11:39

Although I will be using the Dr Spock method, (probably) with my LO which is due any day now, I will be BREATFEEDING IN PUBLIC and for as long as I want.

DD was BF until her 2nd birthday. True, after about 15 months it was just for naps, 1st thing in the morning and bed time, then after 18 months it was just at night to settle her to sleep.

I was pretty discreet and I don't think I ever had any complaints BF in public. If I get any complaints this time, I will jest tell them where to go. BFing a baby is the most natural thing in the world and they do not have to look.

sprogger · 03/10/2007 12:32

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

gerbo · 03/10/2007 12:39

Too true Sprogger. They'll never recapture those precious precious first few weeks. So sad. And Channel 4?! Losing even more kudos..........

MegaLegs · 03/10/2007 12:44

Couldn't watch. Saw first five minutes and then had to switch off when tiwn mum was wobbling and saying that she wanted to sleep with them and twin dad told her they would be sleeping alone. Also the clip of what to come and she "took over" dressing baby of wobbly dad and roughly manhandled taht liitle baby girl.

So angry, they are real babies, being expoited as they are used for a social experiemnt for a tv show.

Nothing has ever made me this angry. Those people won't get that time with their babies again, it is so PRECIOUS, and it's gone.

Won't be watching again and would happily petition to get CV banned from working with children.

MegaLegs · 03/10/2007 12:45

sorry, sort of x posts there, stopped to get DS a drink half way throughtyping.

Piffle · 03/10/2007 12:45

agree she does appear to handle them so roughly....

ruddynorah · 03/10/2007 12:46

i wanted the twins grandma to scoop them up out of the pram give the good cuddle, swoosh past CV, go get the mum and go babymoon in the parents bed.

Tinker · 03/10/2007 12:47

How old are the children now? Noticed childminder mum had posted a comment on CV's website seeming to refer to the baby being 6 months old (only skimmed it). I wonder what reaction they are now getting in RL now it's on tv.

Thought the way she "spoke" to Rani's mum was awful "Ah, ah, ah"

MegaLegs · 03/10/2007 12:58

This is what commisioner of channel 4 has to say Sorry if been posted before.

He says this

"Several people have asked what advice we took during the making of the programme ? we consulted a GP, a neurologist, and a highly qualified consultant paediatrician, and we showed all four episodes to the consultant paediatrician before completing them and took his advice on several important changes to the editing and voice over to make reference to current medical advice."

So they took advice after the programme was made so that the babies of the parents watching wouldn't be harmed but what about the babies taking part in the programme FFS??

He also says

"We sought advice from a very highly qualified paediatrician, who saw the programmes and the routines being followed, and who is familiar with all the research on association between longer term health and well being and childcare methods. His advice was that there was nothing in the programmes that would cause any ill effects to the babies, either short or longer term,"

Does this highly qualified paed have a crysatl ball, how can he possibly know what the long term effects of being left to scream and receive little comfort from the people whose job it is to provide it??

Am off to read rest of that forum now.