I give you clear warning, this place is goiing to go NUTS when Channel Four airs Bringing Up Baby on the 25th Sept... Claire Verity!!!

[Aitch]

seriously. i'm watching it now for work and it is terribly upsetting. Claire Verity says 'i'm a bitch, i'm mean to them but it works', no touching, no eye contact, lots of talking about 'baby', presumably because she can't be arsed remembering the name... oh it's AWFUL.

NAO, I've never thought of you as pompous before.

What human rights issues would you like us to get irate about, NAO? List some on another thread, perhaps.

pretty much, tori. but i think the other woman joins in as well. C$ really needs to be making clear where the experts are veering from the govt advice, imo. not that i think there's anything wrong with co-sleeping, but if i ignore the govt advice that's different from not knowing it in the first place.

good because that would be so wrong

stealth was a scrub nurse in theatres when pg with dd. Operating tools, dreaming I was working.

Nurseyemma - please tell me nice things about attachment- I could do with a boost.

I am going to do a patronising face about anybody who thinks that this is NOT a subject worth bothering with, actually.

Here it is:

The other woman - Dreena was it? Why does that name never appear on baby name lists on here, I wonder?

She annoyed me a bit, because she was going "I'm the reasonable one, don't listen to these lunatics" and saying bigoted things about bf.

Yes I do agree Aitch. But I think this could go on for a while so will catch up tomorrow.

What do you need to know BTN?

please join my facebook group

Just got a new HV - she said she was puffed out (polite swearing) with BF/co-sleeping advice - UNICEF say BF most important so to cosleep is good, FSIDS say Co sleeping bad full stop - she says she no longer knows what to advise, though anecdotally she slept with hers (we like her!!!!)

I sleep with mine and would liek to be reassured that my instincts are grat 0 if they want me I cuddle them without condition, cause I guess that's what i would have liked.

FSID say co-sleeping is bad if you've been drinking/smoking/taking drugs/are so tired you wouldn't wake/etc.

Not bad, full stop. But agree it is mighty confusing - which is exactly why programmes like this are so fucking irresponsible.

mykids, have joined

bit on attachment drbenkim.com/articles-attachment-parenting.html

I would have liked CV to have told my family they couldnt cuddle, hold, kiss, make eye contact with my girls, they were held pretty much the whole time till they were about 4 months old!

mmm I guess the human rights of children are perhaps not something to get riled up about eh? after all not like they can even wipe their arses let alone any immediately grand heroic acts of protest...

i have not read all the thread as it is so long but i have just finished watching the programme. I am horrid, Im not an aggressive person at all but found myself shouting 'stupid bitch' at the tele when she suggested leaving leaving the baby alone in the garden for 4 hrs. I just hope the parents realise and give in to thier natural instincts and tell her where to go and give that poor baby some love

Apart from crying, which is so irritating
Just shut the door, actually push them further down the garden

orangehead - I like to think they came close