I give you clear warning, this place is goiing to go NUTS when Channel Four airs Bringing Up Baby on the 25th Sept... Claire Verity!!!

[Aitch]

seriously. i'm watching it now for work and it is terribly upsetting. Claire Verity says 'i'm a bitch, i'm mean to them but it works', no touching, no eye contact, lots of talking about 'baby', presumably because she can't be arsed remembering the name... oh it's AWFUL.

huinker, does falling asleep on the sofa include falling asleep while feeding (both of us!) - me sitting up with head on cushion at top of sofa? Seems safe enough to me, but I've always wondered this.

Sadly there was a woman recently who suffocated her baby after falling asleep on the sofa feeding.

bles you LL - that's me! Have complained to ofCom - cannot bear to think of babies without cuddles - may wake mine up to snuggle her now.....

stealth thats what worries me too. I have been known to hit DH in the face 'passing instruments' in my sleep.

Am trying not to get too worked up (and failing). But did love the bit where Cruella said her methods had been around since the 1800s.

Notoriously well-adjusted, those Victorians...

i know that, tori. i wasn't saying you were pro-CV (you're not that mad ), just pointing out that they do deal with the co-sleeping thing in the next ep.

I followed a sleep/feed routine but cannot understand why CV is thinks that having a routine means you are emotionally detached from your baby.

Leaving that tiny baby to cry was so wrong.I agree with controlled crying but not so young.Also telling that dad not to kiss his baby?? She was like a bloody robot.

I'm Not supporting CV but am sure on the feeding timetable she had an 11pm and 3am feed listed so I don't think she was expecting the baby to go through the night (maybe she'll wait til at least 2 weeks for that)

You know what, I can't think of anything I'd have found more stressful in the early weeks (or any time) than some expert, no matter their creed, telling me what to do all the time. The ultimate MIL from hell who never leaves...

Agree that CV is monstrous but both to innocent newborns and hormonally charged new mothers (and fathers). Presumably we'd have read about it already if someone had snapped and bundled her out into the back garden with a fork in her eye?

SPB, I don't know, really - I think the way the stats are collected doesn't do much for furthering knowledge - I've never seen a breakdown of what's "most" risky. I've fallen asleep like that in bed too, propped up with baby in arms.

NaO -does that mean that we shouldn't care about getring our children imunised because there are children elsewhere that don't have that facility. Shouldn't campaign for better health care here because others are worse off?

Having this womans methods passed off as a common and sensible alternative could affect / inform [sic] loads of parents-to-be in this country

passing instruments? Sorry, am lost!
I don't fall asleep too much now as he only tends to wake once for a feed, what a failure as a mother I am. Maybe some sticky tape around the mouth

that programme and that woman are the most appalling things i have seen for a good while. Those CV families are REALLY going to regret this when they look back on the first weeks with their babies.
She is a dangerous woman who MUST be stopped, i am incensed by her stupidity and absolute disregard for the emotional and physical wellbeing of the babies in her care. what a fucking bitch (this is my personal view and not a reflection of the views held by mumsnet).

Surely no one with any sense of humanity and empathy can not fail to be horrified by this parent or not? I flet sick when the baby wasn't evem cuddled up whilst feeding, it's almost like you can see the anger and distress setting in. These babies will grow up with disordered/ambivalent attachments carrying a huge risk of developing borderline/antisocial personality disorders which can cause drug addiction, mental illness and even criminality.

This is based on years and years of theory into attachment.

x post hunker, thanks
Think I'm going to go with common sense, and I never really get into a deep sleep like that anyway

i have never seen mumsnet get so riled as this about any international human rights issue lapin

This is mumsnet

Well we are mostly mothers of small children and so the subject of babies is close to our hearts.

What is wrong with that?

Can I talk about this if I promise to spend tomorrow night on the Amnesty talkboard, NAO?

What emkana said
Not internationalhumanrightsnet

Aitch what do they say in the nexy ep about it? Jus -big-mouth- CV saying dangerous with no evidence?

this is a human rights issue, this woman is advocating outright cruelty to newborn infants and their poor unsuspecting parents.

Leaving them alone in the garden for hours WTF!

I'm furious about lots of things NAO. But like I said, I have never seen any kind of media saying that genital mutilation, or sex trafficking, or rape to further wars, or military rule are A Good Thing. Perhaps you can tell me where you've seen something like that and I can go and complain the appropriate programme makers too?

i thought there was a very long thread on that bulgarian orphanages show, wasn't there? that's an MN comparable situation to this, surely?