Gentleman Jack

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BBC 1 9pm

Well well well

Tessie, yes I do, that was good.

I thought of Moll Flanders straight away last night, too 😊

I absolutely lovec it and the music! Just want to read the diaries now.

Breaking the 4th wall is as old as theatre itself. I'm not sure why anyone thought it was groundbreaking in Fleabag. I'm sure even both film versions of Alfie had it, just as another example. And of course Mrs Brown is the queen of talking to the camera

Great scenery and fabulous final song by local duo O'Hooley and Tidow. They are worth looking up.

And of course Mrs Brown is the queen of talking to the camera

No, Miranda is the queen and I'm prepared to fight in her defence 😂

Ha! You are so right!

I gave up on this after about 20 minutes, just couldn't gel with it at all

Blimey I remember Moll Flanders, that was ages ago.. I really liked that, I think tat talking to the camera stuff was cool back then, less so now though.

Daniel Craig was hot in that, before he became all pouty and the Daniel Craig we know now.

I thought it was great. Was traumatised about the horse.
Suranne Jones is marvellous.

I enjoyed it but mainly because I live locally. Loved seeing Shibden etc.
Ann Walker lived at Crow Nest in Lightcliffe, Sir Titus Salt lived there later. It is no longer there.
www.calderdalecompanion.co.uk/mmc214.html

I randomly looked on Right Move for houses for sale in Halifax, on the first page there were streets called Lister, Shibden and Rawson.

Love local history!

These Rawson lads sound intimidating/ possibly sexy by the way. Has Sir Sean of Bean been tempted into pulling on some breeches?

I like this period in history and quite liked this prog. I agree it was far too sanitary-looking.

Question: having recently read a biog of Charlotte Bronte, it says that the family were aware of a woman living in the local area who sounds as if it could have been Anne Lister - right period; right location!

Any one out there have any further information?

Botox, I read last week's that Anne Lister is mentioned in Shirley. I've now found this www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/147489306X108513?journalCode=ybst20l

I enjoyed this.
Agree that she wasn't really 'just passing Miss Walkers house - it was an excuse to see her!
She obviously has eyes for Miss Walkers fortune...

Yes, of course she wasn’t ‘just passing’. But a woman of the landowning classes of that period, even an unconventional one like Lister, wouldn’t be walking any distance, she’d be on horseback or driven in a carriage. Showing up after walking a few miles along the roads would be as strange as dropping in ‘casually’ by helicopter

Walking was for peasants and tramps, quite apart from the fact that walking in UK weather on unpaved rural roads was likely to leave long skirts filthy and unsuitable for social visits. Remember the brouhaha Lizzy Bennett causes when she unconventionally walks a few miles from Longbourn to Netherfield and shows up looking flushed, untidy and muddy.

That’s why I wondered why we’d seen her shoot her horse — was it to establish she’s actually quite ‘poor’ before she starts exploiting her coal/Miss Walker’s fortune, hence no other mounts..?

Seen a photo of the Rawson brothers - definitely not eye candy!!!

Oh no I don't mean the real Rawson brothers, I'm sure they're toothless laggards. I mean the ones on 't telly :)

The shot horse thing is I think an attempt to show us she has a softer centre but is also pragmatic. Also, someone has to do it and it was her horse, part of her responsibility.

Thanks @lovemy! Interesting crossover..haven't read Shirley - bought it now thanks to this thread.

I was wondering about the horse scene too - it WAS almost as if the lack of a horse was a justification for tramping about in an unseemly manner on foot.

I think she genuinely fancies Ann but also believe that her fortune is a factor of the attraction.

I think she genuinely fancies Ann but also believe that her fortune is a factor of the attraction.

I agree - and she's no different from any other woman of the time in that sense. It's nice to fancy someone, but if you actually want to settle down with them, how much of a class difference is there, and how will it affect your finances.

Oh Yes I mean the Rawson brothers on the programme - I saw a photo of them featured in next week's tv magazine as they are in the next episode...

I took the horse scene to demonstrate how she is willing to take charge 'like a man'

I’ve been looking for this thread! I loved it! I’m a big fan of fourth wall - I’ve always loved it as a narrative device if I’m honest. I loved the setting, the costumes and Suranne Jones. Plus am a little obsessed with the music - the song on the end is now on repeat lol.

I thought it was fun and that she was a great character who held her own. I’m really looking forward to the next one.

I was a huge fan of Moll Flanders.

The horse was ill and wasn’t likely to survive, so she was putting it out of its misery. She says to the doctor she thinks he’s ‘glandered’ - glanders is a fatal infectious condition in horses which causes nosebleeds, (which the horse had throughout the episode).

I think the whole thing is a plot device that provides numerous opportunities for Anne to be presented as knowledgeable and capable in a way that women weren’t supposed to be at that time. You see her directing the footman how to care for him, ordering the doctor to come and look at him and then finally shooting him - despite being visibly upset - when the footman couldn’t bring himself to do it.