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Gentleman Jack

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unique1986 · 19/05/2019 19:36

BBC 1 9pm

Well well well Shock

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PoorRichard · 20/05/2019 09:12

The breaking the fourth wall was seen as ground-breaking and wondrous in the (to me, overrated) Fleabag, so interested in it going down less well here. Is it the combination of remarks to camera with a comparatively trad Sunday night costume drama that people aren't liking?

(I know someone who worked on the hair for this, so am appreciating all the intricate ringlets -- he said it was a lovely set to be on.)

I agree, though, that some sets look too spruce and clean, though I assume on part that the designers were trying to point up the difference between shabby, dark, fifteenth-century Shibden Hall and whatever Miss Walker's glossy pile is called.

What puzzled me slightly was the preponderance of illness and injury throughout the episode in ways that didn't seem to have anything to do with the plot or characterisation -- you had the child amputee, Mr Brigg's ulcerated leg, Anne's aunt's less ulcerated leg, the glandered horse that needs to be shot, the apparently travel-sick-and-later-revealed-as-pregnant lady's maid, the doctor attending for Miss Walker's 'nerves' etc.

Usuallyinthemiddle · 20/05/2019 09:13

BBC website have an article on the character. Interesting. More so that the prog!

caperplips · 20/05/2019 09:43

I watched it and enjoyed and and love the fact that it is based on a true story and filmed in the actual place she lived. She seemed like a fearless individual person in an age where it was difficult to be different.

I think the preponderance of illness would probably have been fairly common in those days with less medical knowledge and treatments available etc.

I am a bit amazed that people felt the breaking of the fourth wall in fleebag was ground-breaking and wondrous, surely it is an old trope now.

One of the first and most effective times I have seen this was many many years ago in the film adaptation of Orlando with Tilda Swinton and it was incredible in that!

I didn't mind it in last nights episode.

I am sure they were true to the era but the hairstyles were horrible!

I am recording the series and looking forward to next weeks episode and I think I'll take a look for Anne Lister's diary in the bookshop at lunchtime today

Eatenalltheeastereggs · 20/05/2019 10:32

I fell asleep. I found all the striding about tiresome - slow down woman! I enjoyed her dealings with the tenants as it displayed her character and intelligence. But all the signposting of her lesbianism detracted from this. Maybe it will settle down. I’ll give it another chance once I’ve caught up on the bits I fell asleep to. Admired the mundane reality of her wiping her fingers on the bedsheet though Grin Don’t often see that sort of post coital detail on TV!

StayAChild · 20/05/2019 10:33

I didn't expect to like it, but I really enjoyed the style of it. The talking to the camera thing is a clever way to engage the audience IMO, inviting us in so to speak. Over-egging the role seems to be acceptable in this instance, I don't know why.

I think Suranne Jones is loving playing this character.
Makes quite a change from recent dramas with a bazillion red herrings until you get to the final episode.

Davros · 20/05/2019 10:38

I quite liked it but agree with some of the criticisms here. I think the reason the fourth wall is broken so much in Fleabag (which I live) is because it started as a one person stage performance iirc.

Davros · 20/05/2019 10:39

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Piggywaspushed · 20/05/2019 10:47

Ferris Bueller did breaking the 4th wall in 1985 so I cannot understand why people think it's so modern!

It was done in Vanity Fair a lot : and definitely suited Becky Sharp. I just found it inconsistently applied last night.

Piggywaspushed · 20/05/2019 10:48

1986 : apologies, Ferris aficionados!

PoorRichard · 20/05/2019 11:35

The talking to the camera thing is a clever way to engage the audience IMO, inviting us in so to speak.

I agree it's far from new though used more in drama than TV from Shakespeare's soliloquys on but I think it's probably been used in Gentleman Jack as a way of referencing Lister talking to herself in her diaries, in which she is (in code) extremely frank about her seduction techniques and her sex life. The code was partly deciphered by an descendant (himself closeted and gay) still living in Shipden Hall in the early 20thc, but he was advised to burn the diaries to avoid scandal -- but fortunately, just hid them instead.

What interests me is that Lister was a devout and wholehearted Anglican throughout her life, and believed herself married to Walker in the eyes of God.

caperplips · 20/05/2019 11:38

And Orlando was released in 1992 to the 4th wall has been broken quite while!

Leakinglikeacolander · 20/05/2019 11:41

Is there a lot of sex in it?

MsMightyTitanAndHerTroubadours · 20/05/2019 11:43

I just have to say Lord Flashheart

I nearly died laughing when she shot that horse. before i re- decorate this yard in an interesting colour called Hint Of Brain

I probably won't watch anymore.

Usuallyinthemiddle · 20/05/2019 11:49

It's not modern, just irritating! To me, anyway. I just get to relax into a story, get drawn in and then they turn to camera and I'm bumped back to reality and the moment's gone and it's a TV show.

PoorRichard · 20/05/2019 11:52

Leaking, there was one sex scene between Anne Lister and her former lover, now married, who's stopped by on her way somewhere else, where the vigorous manual action took place entirely under a sheet.

WheresThatCatGoneNow · 20/05/2019 12:28

The suggestion made by the married former lover - that Anne should marry a gay man - got me wondering.

I bet that used to happen quite a lot, gay men and lesbians marrying each other for appearances' sake only. Presumably they carried on having completely separate sex lives, and (they hoped) nobody was any the wiser!

MorrisZapp · 20/05/2019 13:04

Omg I missed the finger wiping!! I actually think I'll watch again. Really enjoyed all the details.

Wonder what Suranne will do when Maureen Lipman wants her face back?

EBearhug · 20/05/2019 13:12

the hairstyle was a bit (hmm)

The hairstyle was based on her portrait, and fashions of the time, but mostly her portrait.

I'm not sure the 1830s were a highpoint in fashion. Those sloped shoulders with the puffy sleeves, and I don't think the hairstyles suited many faces.

Leelawadee · 20/05/2019 13:24

I rather liked that the hairstyles were authentically of their time and not flattering by 2019 standards -- though they would have been a lot less freshly-washed looking. I bet they had to try to think how Lister's hairstyle could be vaguely authentic but also fit under her top hat.

Like a PP I adored Lister's swirly coachman coats. I did wonder, though, why she seems to be on foot far more often than one would expect of a woman of her class -- I mean, she says she's 'just passing' Miss Walker's house, but it's hardly next door, and surely a busy landowning woman of Lister's background, however unconventional, isn't going to be casually walking several miles to see a neighbour, even to seduce her? Or are we to imagine that horse she shoots is her only mount?

LoafofSellotape · 20/05/2019 13:27

I gave up last night so am watching the rest now. Just noticedted the finger wiping!

EBearhug · 20/05/2019 14:38

People did walk a lot more than we tend to be used to these days.

LoafofSellotape · 20/05/2019 15:38

She used the 'just passing' as an excuse to visit!

unique1986 · 20/05/2019 15:41

I am really looking forward to the next Episode!!!!

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Crinkle77 · 20/05/2019 20:56

Eatenalltheeastereggs I found all the striding about annoying too. And the annoying music that accompanied it too.

tessiegirl · 20/05/2019 21:21

Does anyone remember Moll Flanders staring Alex Kingston a few years ago? Her character also spoke to the camera...

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