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GAME OF THRONES: THE FINAL EPISODE. Monday 20th May. Spoilers after 2am.

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OneInAMillionYou · 19/05/2019 01:38

It's here.

Eight seasons of love, hate, family, battles, history, mystery, myth and legend.

After laying waste to Kings' Landing, what next for Daenerys? Does destiny feel good when you kill thousands of innocents to reach it?

I will really miss these characters and their stories. Epic, must-watch television is rare. Will we ever see its like again?

And now our watch is ended.

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agirlhasnonameX · 22/05/2019 16:49

Or were they just sorted, in the sense that it was Cersei's loan, and both she and they lost.
No it's the Thrones debt not the individual King/Queens

itswinetime · 22/05/2019 16:51

Didn't Cersei pay all her debts once she took highgarden? I thought she settled her debt with some and paid for the golden company with the rest.

I thought Tyrion's comments to Bron was more a in joke between them about how long it had taken for the Lannister's to settle their various debts to Bron but that he was happy they were finally even 🤷🏻‍♀️

Lweji · 22/05/2019 16:54

I thought Tyrion's comments to Bron was more a in joke between them about how long it had taken for the Lannister's to settle their various debts to Bron but that he was happy they were finally even

Good point.

CodenameVillanelle · 22/05/2019 16:56

GRRMs not supposed to be happy with the ending

I don't think that's true at all

Mof3K · 22/05/2019 16:58

That's not true. I literally just read his blog post on the ending. He was very happy and very defensive of D and D and the route they chose.

Figgygal · 22/05/2019 16:58

I read somewhere earlier that hereditary ruling had been abandoned for Westeros because it had been proven to be a bad idea yes Sansa established herself as queen on the north with no resistance whatsoever

It really was just irredeemable nonsense

CarolDanvers · 22/05/2019 17:03

The Starks were always in charge in the north though. There might have been some low level grumbling from some of the smaller houses, but they wanted to be independent and first her brothers then herself made The North independent. It was never going to be anyone but a Stark.

JasperRising · 22/05/2019 17:04

I read something about GRRM not being happy with the pacing of the ending (like many of us!) and that he thought they should have made five more seasons Shock I think that is different from whether he likes the ending itself which everything I've read says is based on his notes - which I can believe given the prominence of the Stark children who were one of the original foci of the book series as I understand it.

itswinetime · 22/05/2019 17:09

I read something about GRRM not being happy with the pacing of the ending (like many of us!) and that he thought they should have made five more seasons

I think that might be a misquote i have read he said that there was enough material for it to go on for 5-10 I think it was more seasons. But never a quote he was unhappy with what was being produced just that he thought there could be more. I might be wrong though.

SweetSummerchild · 22/05/2019 17:14

Well, if he doesn’t like he ending he can always write a different one!!!!

I’m not holding my breath. This shit-show has been the best we could expect for the last God knows how many years.

A shitty ending’s better than no ending at all. At least some talented fanfic author (and, yes, there are some) will join the dots together and write something more meaningful.

JasperRising · 22/05/2019 17:14

I can't find the original interview but this is quoted from it:

“The series has been... not completely faithful. Otherwise, it would have to run another five seasons. You know, it’s complex. I’m a little sad, actually. I wish we had a few more seasons. It can also be... traumatic. Because sometimes their creative vision and your creative vision don’t match, and you get the famous creative differences thing — that leads to a lot of conflict. You get totally extraneous things like the studio or the network weighing in, and they have some particular thing that has nothing to do with story, but relates to ‘Well this character has a very high Q Rating so let’s give him a lot more stuff to do,” George RR Martin said.

But then as others have said he has defended them after the finale so who knows

Totaldogsbody · 22/05/2019 17:29

Maybe I picked it up wrong and he is happy with the ending but I still can't wait til he actually finishes the final book if he ever manages to. The series did divert from the book in parts and I feel he may change the ending or maybe that's the optimist in me speaking as I wasn't too keen on the last episode. Saying that I'm another who is going to binge watch the entire programme now its finished.

SweetSummerchild · 22/05/2019 17:32

I remember reading this article before the season aired talking about all the nonsensical characters and unimportant plots and why they were ‘sensibly’ dropped from the show. It’s quite a sneering article and implies the show is all the better for these omissions.

I wonder if they still feel the same now...

Every one of theses plots would have added some detail or character which would have made the series make that little bit more sense - even if it was just filling the dragonpit with known characters.

Critics were falling over themselves to praise the writing right up until the middle of season 8. Now they’ve suddenly turned on the show. F*cking hypocrites.

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/apr/12/game-of-thrones-the-shocking-book-moments-that-never-made-it-to-tv

agirlhasnonameX · 22/05/2019 18:01

Maybe I picked it up wrong and he is happy with the endin
I don't think he said he likes or dislikes it. He said it was very different for him writing the material than it was for D&D to produce it and esp with no writing to go by. People are saying that of course he will say that as the shows what's given him his name and fame, but I remember vaguely in S7, he tweeted during an episode to tell people to go and watch another show he recommended, so not sure why he'd be so bothered about censoring himself now if he didn't like it.

When asked if the books would finish the same he said 'yes and no,' and basically said there where enough differences between them to merit still spending our money on them.

OrianaBanana · 22/05/2019 19:46

What I did find interesting is how the audience (or, the ones who liked Dany, who were on her side) were forced to re-evaluate their opinions of her violence. We’ve seen her watch her brother die, be seemingly fine with Dothraki culture generally (though not when some of it was in front of her eyes), murder a captive in revenge, kill a lot of slave masters, crucify nobility... all a gradual crescendo and a lot of us were right with her... until she was violent in a way we didn’t approve of - we were sympathetic to THESE victims in a way we perhaps weren’t to the others.

Then you have to think - well - maybe the violence we accepted from her earlier wasn’t so OK after all. Maybe we should have objected morally earlier on 🤔

JasperRising · 22/05/2019 20:02

OrianaBanana exactly what you said. It's the same process Tyrion and Varys and Jon had to go through. The violence is fine when we believe it is against 'bad' people who deserve it but what happens when your attitudes to what is acceptable start to diverge. GRRM has always been good at making characters complex and situations note complex than good v evil. You don't get the same dilemmas from Lord of the Rings...

Biancadelrioisback · 22/05/2019 20:27

twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/1130581319593783296?s=19

Just for laughs

OrianaBanana · 22/05/2019 20:57

We did see Ghost when Jon went north of the wall didn’t we? I don’t remember seeing him. He didn’t get left behind again?

itswinetime · 22/05/2019 20:58

No ghost led the way he was first out!

Robin2323 · 22/05/2019 21:21

For ghost

OrianaBanana · 22/05/2019 21:40

Ah ok phew!

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OneInAMillionYou · 23/05/2019 05:24

Is anyone else planning a complete re-watch, right from the beginning?

I'm looking forward to watching with the benefit of knowledge, and trying to spot all of the foreshadowing. I guess there will also be quite a bit of "well that meant bugger all"!!

I've seen the finale about six times now, it's been shown every night on Sky Atlantic, and I seem powerless to resist.

Every time I watch it I get more and more irritated by Grey Worm calling the shots! Who made you King of the World?? The remaining surviving characters were all either rewarded or able to choose what to do next. I think poor old Jon Snow was really hard done by.

If the Unsullied hadn't imprisoned him, he would have had a voice in the new world order. I'm not suggesting he would have wanted to be King, far from it, but living happily in the comfort of Winterfell might have been quite nice.

He could always do day trips to the Wall and beyond, given the transport system in Westeros has become almost supersonic in speed 😀

Given he saved the world by alerting everyone to the very real threat of the Night King, and then again by killing tyrant Daenerys, he deserved better.

The poetry of him riding into the forest with the wildlings was of course beautiful, but does anyone else feel that Sansa didn't do right by him? Given the Unsullied were about to sail to Naath, all they had to do was do the pretend agreement then free Jon once their ship had disappeared out of the bay!

I hope the future books (ever the optimist) explore in more depth Jon's real feelings about his birth, his childhood and Ned Stark keeping the truth from him.
The show addressed this purely through the prism of his relationship with Daenerys, but I'm convinced he would have been deeply affected by the truth.

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HigaDequasLuoff · 23/05/2019 05:45

I'll be doing a complete rewatch once the final DVD box set is out. I don't like doing full rewatches via streaming services as you can never guarantee that the service will keep the full series available for long enough. I only have time for max 3 episodes a week so min 24 weeks needed.

MsMarvellous · 23/05/2019 07:27

@OneInAMillionYou I've just started series 4. Watching from the beginning in a binge is so different. Especially knowing how things are going to go. Back round to Ramsey though and I'm still covering my eyes at times

JasperRising · 23/05/2019 07:51

We started at the very start yesterday - Tyrion with blonde hair and an attempted English accent is weird! Kind of glad they dropped both of those by the end... It is a massive role call of people who are dead by the end!

DH pointed out that in the first scene at Winterfell we are introduced to Bran with Jon in support (and Robb in the background), then Sansa, then Arya. Obviously didn't think any of it ten years ago but once you know the ending it is really obvious that right from the first scenes they were forefronting the Starks (and Jon) that are the key players at the end.

As for the casual full female nudity, giggling naked women in brothels and sexposition Shock it does not stand up well compared with the later season where they manage without it...