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GAME OF THRONES: THE FINAL EPISODE. Monday 20th May. Spoilers after 2am.

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OneInAMillionYou · 19/05/2019 01:38

It's here.

Eight seasons of love, hate, family, battles, history, mystery, myth and legend.

After laying waste to Kings' Landing, what next for Daenerys? Does destiny feel good when you kill thousands of innocents to reach it?

I will really miss these characters and their stories. Epic, must-watch television is rare. Will we ever see its like again?

And now our watch is ended.

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BlackCatSleeping · 22/05/2019 05:24

I’m not sure there is actually a rule book for who is eligible for the throne. It was not unusual in the past for countries to be ruled by a foreigner. Think how many countries our queen used to rule.

TheLastNigel · 22/05/2019 06:27

I think that Dany saying 'they don't get to choose' was the moment Jon finally decided Dany had to die. I don't think he'd made his mind up until then.
He had just had the conversation with Tyrion where when asked 'what about your sisters?', he had said of Sansa 'she doesn't get to choose' (who is queen). Think it clicked when Dany said it that if she was to be Queen his family and probably he himself would be quickly dispatched.

I agree that Kit Harrington is not a great actor at all. But then he hasn't been given that much to work with this season I suppose...

ElenadeClermont · 22/05/2019 06:40

Sansa has only seceded once Bran was chosen. Bran has agreed to the North leaving as a King.

IHeartArya · 22/05/2019 07:47

The Jon & Dany scene had me & dh saying that he’s pleading with her to say she was wrong. She doesn’t & he has no choice but to stab her. He wasn’t safe but more importantly to him his sisters weren’t. I know they weren’t his sisters but in his eyes they still were. If that makes sense.

M15sterPip · 22/05/2019 07:52

She said- "I know what is good."
He said- "what about all the other people who think they know what's good?"
She said- "They don't get to choose."

That's Tony Blair.

Which makes Bran Gordon Brown.

Good job they've sorted Winterfexit already, otherwise that'd have been coming next.

CarolDanvers · 22/05/2019 07:59

I know they weren’t his sisters but in his eyes they still were. If that makes sense.

In their eyes they're still siblings too. At the meeting Arya tells Yara she will cut her throat if she says anything else about "my brother" being killed.

SweetSummerchild · 22/05/2019 08:02

I’m still struggling to work out how the writers were trying to frame Dany in the last two episodes. In episode five she was being written as a sort of Machiavellian Prince - conquering through Fire and Blood and fated to rule and conquer by fear. In episode six she was back to framing herself as a liberator, ‘freeing’ slaves from evil overlords. She was blaming Cersei for the death of the citizens - even though it was her that deliberately torched them.

Why did we even need to waste 30+ minutes while Jon ‘decided’ she was wrong. His internal conflict was ridiculous and contrived. It would have been far more realistic if it had been written in such a way that he knew she had to be killed but felt bad because he was in love with her. As it was, they’d never established any true believable ‘love story’ between the two of them, so they had to resort to just writing Jon as an idiot (again).

It’s a good job I’m not a Star Wars fan...

agirlhasnonameX · 22/05/2019 08:21

Why did we even need to waste 30+ minutes while Jon ‘decided’ she was wrong
Yes it was ridiculous, Jon the honourable and noble, doesn't know if it was wrong to burn a city of innocent people. It wasn't like he was in denial because he loved her so much, or at least that's not how it came across. Plainly while it happened in ep5, he is disgusted by it. If it had been Ygritte or Arya, he would have been extremely emotional about it, not stupid.

SweetSummerchild · 22/05/2019 08:40

Anyway, I’ve decided to go with the idea that this was all a conspiracy of the Children of the Forest to end ‘fire’ and bring in a system of rule where people go back to worshipping the old gods.

It makes more sense than anything else.

legolimb · 22/05/2019 09:34

I enjoyed this final series despite it all seeming hurried and not quite so well thought out.

However this thread has me in stitches. Some excellent alternative endings and plotlines Grin

StarbucksSmarterSister · 22/05/2019 11:18

That's Tony Blair.

And every world leader who ever lived.

JasperRising · 22/05/2019 12:28

The BBC have an interesting analysis of how speaking time and number of lines were divided between male and female characters. www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48335099 turns out that this series where three women are in control, there is the worst male/female speech ratio.

I am not entirely sold on all their conclusions though. They point out that Ned Stark had more lines than Margery or Melisandre despite dying in season 1 but obviously he would - he was a main character in the first season when there were fewer plots to follow.

OrianaBanana · 22/05/2019 12:34

The episode was ok but the kingsmoot was utter shite and spoiled it. So a loose collection of people who’ve been in the series and a few other token people we don’t, randomly decide Bran should be king which is bonkers, and they’re all like, Ok fine. Sansa says, No I’ll be queen of the north and they’re all like, ok fine, but Dorne and the Iron Islands, always fiercely independently-minded, are quite happy with a random king they don’t know who doesn’t actually seem to do any ruling apart from freeing a family member and a dwarf who are responsible for the last regicide (or the Queen they were nominally following) and treason. Two randoms and the Prince of Dorne Hmm sitting around just to fill up space and saying nothing (except aye to everything). The Eyrie gets two votes (possibly three depending who Random Yohn’s friend was) and I don’t understand why grey worm didn’t just kill Jon and Tyrion while he had the chance like he did all the Lannister prisoners.

Jon gets sent the the pointless Wall, and seems to be made lord commander although that’s a position you can only have by being voted in, but there don’t seem to be any NW left to be commander of so he just fucks off -?!

The scene with (immaculately squished) Cersei and Jamie was touching but they seem to have been killed by about five bricks and if they’d just been standing slightly to one side they would have been fine.

I give that small council about two weeks before it all falls apart in pointless and not very amusing bickering.

I notice Sansa has started doing her hair a bit like Danaerys...

ElenadeClermont · 22/05/2019 12:36

In my mind this was a series about the Stark children and everybody else was a bit player. So the ending is fine with me.

I also loved a PP's analysis of the small council consisting of highborn misfits and lowborn social climbers serving a purely ceremonial king. I can live with that.

ElenadeClermont · 22/05/2019 12:37

I just wish they explained that Westeros has a history of councils electing a King. It is not entirely a one-off.

SweetSummerchild · 22/05/2019 13:16

I did like Davos’ line about ‘I don’t know why I get a vote’.

It’s called lampshading, Ser Davos.

OrianaBanana · 22/05/2019 13:36

Ha ha yes, I was going to protest about him even being there, but...

JasperRising · 22/05/2019 13:41

Actually, I don't see why Davos shouldn't have been there. Yeah he started as a smuggler but he was hand of a king wasn't he, plus he's been right there alongside Jon/Sansa/Dany through the battle of the bastards, battle of Winterfell and in king's landing. There's plenty of titles going spare now families have been wiped out that he could be made a lord. And I think he has as much right to have a say as wet lettuce Edmure or random unnamed men.

TheInvestigator · 22/05/2019 13:46

The big houses have been wiped out and, as happened many times before, a smaller house can rise up and take that power. Davos took the name Seaworth (I think) so House Seaworth was probably awarded a decent family seat. He can marry again and have more children. His house could become one of the strong ones, and he was respected by all of the big players.

Not sure what surname Bronn took, but he's been given High Garden so his family will become a strong house and he worked alongside Tyrion during his time as the hand. His position on the council makes sense

TheInvestigator · 22/05/2019 13:56

I'm also really happy that Sansa is Queen in the North. It makes Stark the royal family name, so if she marries, she can't give up her name and her husband can't take it as you can only have the royal house by birth. That means her children will be Stark. So house stark will survive if she has kids!

TheInvestigator · 22/05/2019 14:05

@OrianaBanana

The eeyrie didn't get 2 or 3 votes. Robyn is Lord of the Vale, a strong house and all the houses in the Vale are his vassal. The others from the Vale who also voted are just the lords of strong houses from that region.

Gendry is now Lord Bartheon of Storms end. He got a vote because strong house. Tarth is considered part of the stormlands and their lords are vassals to the Baratheons. Gendry got a vote, but so did Brienne. So you could say that the stormlands got 2 votes. But it's not like that. They didn't vote by region. It's just the lords who were left from the strong houses, and some lords/sers who had been loyal and valuable during all the battles so were considered worthy of being at the meeting.

OrianaBanana · 22/05/2019 14:24

Yeah that's a bit random though. If strong houses and some valuable sers and lords get a vote in who is King of the six kingdoms, there must have been more of them who would be eligible. Bronn wasn't there was he? It would have made more sense if it was just top Lord (or Lady)from each of the seven kingdoms.

agirlhasnonameX · 22/05/2019 14:29

@SweetSummerchild
Anyway, I’ve decided to go with the idea that this was all a conspiracy of the Children of the Forest to end ‘fire’ and bring in a system of rule where people go back to worshipping the old gods

I want to believe this so much, as I'm unwilling to accept that GRRMs whole purpose for Bran was to create someone who would be a perfect King. Is this a theory or your idea? If it's a theory, where can I read about it please?

RussianSpamBot · 22/05/2019 14:29

I saw someone on Twitter describe the Dorne guy as looking like he was only there so he didn't get fined. Sounds about right. My first thought watching it was that surely they'd have seceded too. Maybe the theory was that the north were only being allowed to do it because of loss of life, and Dorne hadn't 'earned' it in the same way?

Agree Bronn being there makes sense too. There are obviously points to be made about eg plausibility of him and Jaime surviving the dragon etc. But he's still alive and is now one of the wealthiest men in Westeros. They'd need his money. He's also supposed to be reasonably savvy when not thinking with his dick, no? Street smart with money I think was the idea. Can see why that'd be useful.

TheInvestigator · 22/05/2019 14:32

But Bronn didn't fight in any of the big battles at the end. He earned a seat on the small council due to Tyrion, but he didn't earn a seat at that big meeting. The head lords got an invite, which explains Edmure since he's the Lord of the Riverlands now. With no nights watch, Sam gets the spot of Lord Tarly. The rest of the reach had been wiped out if Tyrion was being true to Greyworm when he offered the land, so no more big lords from there. The kids looked northern so I assume one of them was a Mormont from the North. Then the others will represent houses we havnt really met. Davos earned his spot in battle, and wouldn't have left Sansa alone till Jon got out since he started essentially acting as Jon's hand.