GoT is actually disgusting, isn't it?

[Miljah]

In what way can it be described as 'entertainment'?

I seriously, don't understand why people happily sit down to watch the carnage, the immolation, the screaming children.

What is wrong with people?

I completely understand why someone wouldn’t watch GoT on the grounds of the violence, both sexual and otherwise. I’d never say anyone should watch it. There are things I would never watch as well because they are too upsetting or shocking or gory. We all have our line. But that doesn’t mean I’ll say that it’s wrong or depraved for someone to have their line somewhere else to me. I do judge people who use pornography though. I think that is desensitising and brutalising whereas a drama like GoT evokes empathy in my opinion.

@CaptainBrickbeard not judging you or anyone who can tolerate it. Fully accept your lines are drawn elsewhere. GoT is on the other side of my line. I know I have a more conservative (for want of a better word) line.

What sexual violence has there been in TWD? I genuinely can’t remember any. (BTW, it’s back on form since they got a new, female, show runner).

If you dont like it, dont watch it and stop bloody complaining.

LaurieMarlow Personally I get frustrated when people have big opinions on a book/show they haven’t watched/read, but that’s just me.

Not just you, although its not frustration it’s more bemusement. I find it perplexing that some have the hubris to expect others to engage or accept their opinion when they have little or no knowledge of the material to back up their arguments.

I remember Mary Whitehouse and her campaign to clean up tv entertainment, I rarely agreed with her opinions on what was suitable/unsuitable to be broadcast but I respected the fact that at least she viewed/read the material she was objecting to in order to give an informed opinion on it.

When people who haven’t seen the show or read the books complain about the gratuitous, extreme or excessive amounts of violence they are doing so without the context within which those incidents occur therefore they cannot know whether those instances are indeed gratuitous or, conversely, if they are important to the narrative.

Yes, some think there should be no violence at all shown anytime anywhere not just on GOT, it should all happen offscreen, which is fine, but it comes down to personal taste. If you don’t like scenes of violence then no one says you have to watch them or shows that are known to have them but you don’t get to decide for others where their line in the sand is. I have my own ‘turn my eyes’ away boundaries (usually involves bugs, maggots and oozing, decaying corpses, I ‘watched’ TWD for a couple of seasons mostly with my eyes closed, now I don’t watch and do something else while DH does) and there are certain GOT scenes I couldn’t/wouldn’t watch again therefore skipped forward or covered my eyes when we watched those episodes again.

Chariots, to be fair it hasn’t been much and it’s been alluded to rather than shown in detail and TWD has succeeded in making the point of the horror without showing the rape. I was thinking of the flashbacks to what happened to the Terminus people when the bandits attacked. Also, one of the Claimers tried to rape Carl. And there was a gang back in the Farm season who had carried out a brutal rape and murder of young girls in front of their father but it was described and not shown. That is over nine seasons so not much. They stuck in my mind because the thought of them was so awful in this lawless and brutal world. I’m glad there hasn’t been more of it.

ChariotsofFish

Carl got threatened with rape i seem to recall. Maggie did also at the hands of the bad guy that ran that town. I think Sasha got sexually assaulted too. Bit.its been a long time since I watched TWD.

I think that is desensitising and brutalising whereas a drama like GoT evokes empathy in my opinion.

I think this is what people are missing.

I was raped by my husband. I still think Sansa rape, being hinted at or alluded to wouldnt have worked.
I totally get why people find it difficult to watch on TV. But I also get that you had to absolutely hate Bolton. You had loom at Sansa and who she has become and understand it. Bolton did the worst things imaginable to people. Rape would have been one of his first tools to use to hurt people. Seeing made an impact.

Personally, I dont think rape should be hidden, alluded to and happen off screen. If it's going to happen, it should be shown in all its horror. I hate when its hinted at but the brutality of it dampened.

Just like the battle of the bastards was.

I also dont get the argument that it wasnt in the book. It was, just not to sansa. They wrapped both stories up in one. Often happens. But what why the outrage that it wasnt in the book? How is writing it and describing it any better? Even if it was in the book, it doesnt have to be in the show. I guess I dont understand why some think, it shouldnt have been shown. But had it have been in the book, it would have been ok.

Sansa has become very different to the Perrson she was. Quite hard, calculating and unmoving. But I totally empathise with her thinking.

The same with Dany. I can see how she has ended up losing her shit. I like that there has always been the story of the Mad king and what he planned to do. But you can see how it could come to pass, in the right circumstances. I like that you can see the supposed heroes (like Robert Baratheon was viewed for the uprising) actually were very unheroic. Started a war, because a girl he fancied wanted someone else.

And how someone with the beat of intentions (Dany) can end up being the cruelest. And someone who just wants to do the right thing (Jon) being faced with doing something that feels wrong, because it's best for everyone.

The absolute brutality of GofT makes you understand characters, their flaw, their personality changes etc.

If Sansa had just been betrothed to Joffery but all was rosy (even as he cut hee fathers head off) then Tyrion and all was rosy, then Bolton and he left her alone and all was rosy. Her character arc, would make sense. It woildnt make sense that she would but hee family and winterfell above everything and tell Tyrion about Jon's heritage. Winterfell is where she feels safe and she will protect it all costs because everything hasnt been rosy for her.

@Icandothisallday , that's actually the first analysis of it that I have ever read that makes a logical case.
I'm not a fan and am unlikely to watch it. I'm a bit bored of people being so effusive about it but that's their interest so that's ok. I'm sure I like stuff that other people find tedious.
However, what you say makes sense although I am extremely sorry that your life experience includes such a dreadful event.
Thank you for explaining your point of view.

Making "entertainment" out of women getting raped is just fucking dubious in my opinion. It says a great deal about this modern world if this is the best we can come up with 🤷🏻‍♀️

Making "entertainment" out of women getting raped is just fucking dubious in my opinion. It says a great deal about this modern world if this is the best we can come up with

Oh a massively reductive post and an obnoxious emoji with a splash of "the worlds gawn maaaad" thrown in. Great.

Have you actually read the books or seen the show smiled?

Don't let actually watching the programme get in the way of someone feeling morally superior.

Well, what a range of reaction!

Am interested that there's been some massive petition signed (saw it on Sky News, can't link) that thousands of GOT fans are demanding the last series, 8, if not 7, be rewritten and re-filmed, as Danaerys' behaviour was so crazed, so vicious that it didn't make sense- among other criticisms.

Sounds like that fiery destruction of Kings Landing is viewed as block-buster gratuitous violence, by die-hards!

Sounds like that fiery destruction of Kings Landing is viewed as block-buster gratuitous violence, by die-hards!

Errr..what?

Those petitioners are so diotic. The actors must be sick to the back teeth of this series and desperate to move on.

I have never seen this not once! I said this to a couple of neighbours last week and one said " f--k off I don't believe you". But it's true, it's something about the death and torture in a grotesque way that has put me off. My eldest has said I'm missing out but I don't want an evening of screaming and blood a guts out all over the place! And I heard Sean Bean died again, and I'm sick of seeing him die in every single thing he's in. He a type cast actor they must say " and Sean this is the part you die an horrible painful death!

hope this link works I can't check on my phone.

Sounds like that fiery destruction of Kings Landing is viewed as block-buster gratuitous violence, by die-hards!

So you're assuming support for your OP based on something you haven't seen?

What is exercising the mass of posters on the latest e that I've read is that the story arc wasn't long enough to account for a certain character's actions. While others point out that this has been repeatedly foreshadowed from series 2 onwards.

And I heard Sean Bean died again, and I'm sick of seeing him die in every single thing he's in. He a type cast actor they must say " and Sean this is the part you die an horrible painful death!

You do not see the death of Ned Stark in GoT.

Sounds like that fiery destruction of Kings Landing is viewed as block-buster gratuitous violence, by die-hards!

You don’t appear to have the first clue what you’re talking about.

Mind you I think it’s hilarious that the Dany fan boyz want the series reshot.

And I heard Sean Bean died again

9 years late to the party

That's not what the petition says if you read it.

The grumbles are not about the violence the objection is that it was carried out by their favourite character and that this series is rushing to a conclusion.

if you read it.

Reading doesn’t appear to be among the OPs strong points.

Interestingly in the Sky News report linked by the OP, HBO state that Series 8 Episode 5 hit a record of 18.4 million views in the US alone and that the Series 8 has averaged 43 million views per episode. The petition for a re-write of the entire Series 8 has approx 600,000 signatures - a drop in the ocean.